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As of January 1, 2019, we have closed our forums. This is a decision we did not come to lightly, but it is necessary. The software our forums run on is just too out-of-date and it poses a significant security risk. The server software itself must be updated, and it cannot be without removing the forums.
So it is with a heavy heart that we say goodbye to our long-running forums. They came online in 2000 and brought together so many wonderful Disney fans. We had friendships form, careers launch, couples marry, children born ... all because of this amazing community.
Thank you to each of you who were a part of this community. You made it possible.
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We want to personally thank Sara Varney, who coordinated our community for many years (among so many other things she did for us), and Cheryl Pendry, our Message Board Manager who helped train our Guides, and Ginger Jabour, who helped us with the PassPorter-specific forums and Live! Guides. Thank you for your time, energy, and enthusiasm. You made it all happen.
There are other changes as well.
Why? Well, the world has changed. And change with it, we must. The lyrics to "We Go On" for IllumiNations say it best:
We go on to the joy and through the tears
We go on to discover new frontiers
Moving on with the current of the years.
We go on
Moving forward now as one
Moving on with a spirit born to run
Ever on with each rising sun.
To a new day, we go on.
It's time to move on and move forward.
PassPorter is a small business, and for many years it supported our family. But the world changed, print books took a backseat to the Internet, and for a long time now it has been unable to make ends meet. We've had to find new ways to support our family, which means new careers and less and less time available to devote to our first baby, PassPorter.
But eventually, we must move on and move forward. It is the right thing to do.
So we are retiring this newsletter, as we simply cannot keep up with it. Many thanks to Mouse Fan Travel who supported it all these years, to All Ears and MousePlanet who helped us with news, to our many article contributors, and -- most importantly -- to Sara Varney who edited our newsletter so wonderfully for years and years.
And we are no longer charging for the Live Guides. If you have a subscription, it's yours to keep for the lifetime of the Live Guides at no additional cost. The Live Guides will stay online, barring server issues and technical problems, for all of 2019.
That said, PassPorter is not going away. Most of the resources will remain online for as long as we can support them, and after that we will find ways to make whatever we can available. PassPorter means a great deal to us, and to many of you, and we will do our best to keep it alive in whatever way we can. Our server costs are high, and they'll need to come out of our pockets, so in the future you can expect some changes so we can bring those costs down.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for your amazing support over the years. Without you, there's no way us little guys could have made something like this happen and given the "big guys" a run for their money. PassPorter was consistently the #3 guidebook after the Unofficial and Official guides, which was really unheard of for such a small company to do. We ROCKED it thanks to you and your support and love!
If you miss us, you can still find some of us online. Sara started a new blog at DisneyParkPrincess.com -- I strongly urge you to visit and get on her mailing list. She IS the Disney park princess and knows Disney backward and forward. And I am blogging as well at JenniferMaker.com, which is a little craft blog I started a couple of years ago to make ends meet. You can see and hear me in my craft show at https://www.youtube.com/c/jennifermaker . Many PassPorter readers and fans are on Facebook, in groups they formed like the PassPorter Trip Reports and PassPorter Crafting Challenge (if you join, just let them know you read about it in the newsletter). And some of our most devoted community members started a forum of their own at Pixie Dust Lane and all are invited over.
So we encourage you to stay in touch with us and your fellow community members wherever works best for you!
Best wishes for a wonderful and magical new year!
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06-20-2005, 10:39 PM
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Community Rank: Trailblazer
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Orlando, Fl
Posts: 5,517
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\"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
I have a question for someone who knows the law. When a hotel overbooks and have no room for someone who made a reservation and they ask that guest to "walk" to another resort...does that guest HAVE to go? Can they refuse and insist on a room at the resort they made a reservation for?
I'm asking because at the resort I work for at Disney, we walk guests a lot to other resorts. I'm under the understanding that a guest can refuse to "walk" and we can't make them. BUT some people at work insist that they HAVE to and don't have a choice.
Who is right?
Kelly
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06-20-2005, 11:28 PM
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Community Rank: Legend
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Dreaming of the Future
Concierge Level: 1
Posts: 24,867
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
Tough one Kelly I wish i had an answer I tend to think that both have some truth to them, that the patron can refuse but that if there are no rooms at that hotel then they would have no where to sleep almost forcing them to walk even if they don't want to, but I am not totally sure if either side is right?
Anyone else have any idea?
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06-21-2005, 01:42 AM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Panama City, FL
Posts: 2,225
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
Hmmm.. I'm pretty sure that they can't be forced, although it does (obviously) become a logistical problem.. I mean, you can't make people share rooms, either. I'm guessing that they'd be entitled to some compensation if they were forced out, which I'm sure ya'll give them without it becoming a legal issue.. (an upgrade, etc.) They're definitely at least due the benefit of the bargain (meaning you can't send them somewhere lesser, which I sincerely doubt Disney would try to do, right?)..
That's all I can remember from my contracts class right now, maybe I'll look it up for fun.
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06-21-2005, 08:51 AM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Virginia
Posts: 2,081
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
I worked for a non-chain hotel in VA that is a suites hotel. Our policy was if we walk you we pay for your stay. Usually if we need to walk someone we would offer it to people. You always have someone who was willing to go to a different hotel for free. (the company that owned us also owned a hotel across the street so that's where we'd walk them).
Does Disney pick up the tab when they walk someone? Do they upgrade you? Since you work a CB do they walk you to another Moderate or do you get to go to a deluxe?
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06-21-2005, 09:32 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Philadelphia
Concierge Level: 6
Posts: 39,682
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
I think the hotel is responsible for honoring it's reservations, so a guest who is made to "walk" should be compensated for their aggravation.
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06-21-2005, 11:05 AM
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Community Rank: Trekker
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 1,336
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
According to DH (he just finished law school recently) "a reservation is not a contract it is an agreement to enter into a contract" ( sounds to me like studying for the bar has fried his brain OR they have completely brainwashed him) Anyway, he says that they have the right to ask the people to walk to another disney resort OR the people have the right to go to someplace else all together ( so they would get their deposit back) He said it is just like when people get bumped from an overbooked flight.
Out of my own personal curiosity, who is getting bumped? People who have packages, people with deeply discounted rooms (like AP) or just whoever shows up last?
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06-21-2005, 11:25 AM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: MD
Posts: 2,038
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
OK......I have this picture in my mind.
Of CM's 'walking' guests off CBR property.........dragging their cases behind them!!
What do you mean walk? Tell me I am wrong!
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06-21-2005, 02:13 PM
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Community Rank: Wayfarer
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 193
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
TiggerTails, when you "walk" a guest that means you refer them to another hotel because the hotel was overbooked. Ohhhh...my studying to become a travel agent is paying off.
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06-21-2005, 07:21 PM
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Community Rank: Wayfarer
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 134
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
Kelly...please let us know if you offer guests their choice at another moderate or even a deluxe. You dont send them down to a value resort do you? You have me wondering about my upcoming July trip to CBR.
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06-21-2005, 07:21 PM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 2,072
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
I just don't see how they can overbook. I would be really upset if I made a ressie and when I got there, I was told that I would have to "walk" because the resort was overbooked.
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06-21-2005, 07:46 PM
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Community Rank: Adventurer
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: My Castle in S.C.
Posts: 504
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
Does this happen often at Disney?
My heart is set on Port orleans.. french..
I better not get walking papers.. Unless they are moving me to a bigger place...
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06-21-2005, 07:46 PM
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Community Rank: Wayfarer
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Chicagoland
Posts: 194
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
I would assume it would be like being bumped in an airline situation, in that although I'm sure they can just say "too bad, so sad"??? (the contract to enter into a contract - plus I've watch way too many airline shows where they just literally say "I can refund your money") BUT usually they offer incentives for someone to be bumped and usually someone takes them up on it.
I would imagine it might be the same thing for the hotel, if they have to bump you they make it attractive to do so.
In my case, I will have a heart attack and a fit if they decide to "walk" me to a different hotel! It took us *forever* to figure out where we wanted to be in the first place and we have 6 people (count as 5), so that puts us over the limit at a lot of them (although if they make it attractive enough, I could be persuaded! )
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06-22-2005, 02:51 PM
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Community Rank: Trekker
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Arizona
Posts: 1,037
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
I'm guessing too, that though they may say they are overbooked, as in no rooms, it's quite possible that they have to keep a percentage of rooms open(even if it's a small amount). I'm not sure why that would be but I remember hearing that somewhere...not Disney specific though.
Heather
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06-22-2005, 04:53 PM
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Community Rank: Adventurer
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: NJ
Posts: 568
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
Kelly, do you have any answers to the questions raised by your question? I think we'd all find them pretty interesting.
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06-22-2005, 08:50 PM
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Community Rank: Legend
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Kissimmee, Fl
Concierge Level: 6
Posts: 25,061
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Re: \"Walking\" to another resort...overbooked
It wouldn't bother me if it was an upgrade, but if it was another hotel on the same level or a downgrade, then it may bother me a bit. Don't know the answer though.
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