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As of January 1, 2019, we have closed our forums. This is a decision we did not come to lightly, but it is necessary. The software our forums run on is just too out-of-date and it poses a significant security risk. The server software itself must be updated, and it cannot be without removing the forums.
So it is with a heavy heart that we say goodbye to our long-running forums. They came online in 2000 and brought together so many wonderful Disney fans. We had friendships form, careers launch, couples marry, children born ... all because of this amazing community.
Thank you to each of you who were a part of this community. You made it possible.
And a very special thank you to our Guides (moderators), past and present, who kept our forums a happy place to be. You are the glue that held everything together, and we are forever grateful to you. Thank you aliceinwdw, Caldercup, MrsM, WillCAD, Fortissimo, GingerJ, HiddenMickey, CRCrazy, Eeyoresmom, disneyknut, disneydani, Cam22, chezp, WDWfan, Luvsun, KMB733, rescuesk, OhToodles!, Colexis Mom, lfredsbo, HiddenMickey, DrDolphin, DopeyGirl, duck addict, Disneybine, PixieMichele, Sandra Bostwick, Eeyore Tattoo, DyanKJ130, Suzy Q'Disney, LilMarcieMouse, AllisonG, Belle*, Chrissi, Brant, DawnDenise, Crystalloubear, Disneymom9092, FanOfMickey, Goofy4Goofy, GoofyMom, Home4us123, iamgrumpy, ilovedisney247, Jennifer2003, Jenny Pooh, KrisLuvsDisney, Ladyt, Laughaholic88, LauraBelle Hime, Lilianna, LizardCop, Loobyoxlip, lukeandbrooksmom, marisag, michnash, MickeyMAC, OffKilter_Lynn, PamelaK, Poor_Eeyore, ripkensnana, RobDVC, SHEANA1226, Shell of the South, snoozin, Statelady01, Tara O'Hara, tigger22, Tink and Co., Tinkerbelz, WDWJAMBA, wdwlovers, Wendyismyname, whoSEZ, WildforWD, and WvuGrrrl. You made the magic.
We want to personally thank Sara Varney, who coordinated our community for many years (among so many other things she did for us), and Cheryl Pendry, our Message Board Manager who helped train our Guides, and Ginger Jabour, who helped us with the PassPorter-specific forums and Live! Guides. Thank you for your time, energy, and enthusiasm. You made it all happen.
There are other changes as well.
Why? Well, the world has changed. And change with it, we must. The lyrics to "We Go On" for IllumiNations say it best:
We go on to the joy and through the tears
We go on to discover new frontiers
Moving on with the current of the years.
We go on
Moving forward now as one
Moving on with a spirit born to run
Ever on with each rising sun.
To a new day, we go on.
It's time to move on and move forward.
PassPorter is a small business, and for many years it supported our family. But the world changed, print books took a backseat to the Internet, and for a long time now it has been unable to make ends meet. We've had to find new ways to support our family, which means new careers and less and less time available to devote to our first baby, PassPorter.
But eventually, we must move on and move forward. It is the right thing to do.
So we are retiring this newsletter, as we simply cannot keep up with it. Many thanks to Mouse Fan Travel who supported it all these years, to All Ears and MousePlanet who helped us with news, to our many article contributors, and -- most importantly -- to Sara Varney who edited our newsletter so wonderfully for years and years.
And we are no longer charging for the Live Guides. If you have a subscription, it's yours to keep for the lifetime of the Live Guides at no additional cost. The Live Guides will stay online, barring server issues and technical problems, for all of 2019.
That said, PassPorter is not going away. Most of the resources will remain online for as long as we can support them, and after that we will find ways to make whatever we can available. PassPorter means a great deal to us, and to many of you, and we will do our best to keep it alive in whatever way we can. Our server costs are high, and they'll need to come out of our pockets, so in the future you can expect some changes so we can bring those costs down.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for your amazing support over the years. Without you, there's no way us little guys could have made something like this happen and given the "big guys" a run for their money. PassPorter was consistently the #3 guidebook after the Unofficial and Official guides, which was really unheard of for such a small company to do. We ROCKED it thanks to you and your support and love!
If you miss us, you can still find some of us online. Sara started a new blog at DisneyParkPrincess.com -- I strongly urge you to visit and get on her mailing list. She IS the Disney park princess and knows Disney backward and forward. And I am blogging as well at JenniferMaker.com, which is a little craft blog I started a couple of years ago to make ends meet. You can see and hear me in my craft show at https://www.youtube.com/c/jennifermaker . Many PassPorter readers and fans are on Facebook, in groups they formed like the PassPorter Trip Reports and PassPorter Crafting Challenge (if you join, just let them know you read about it in the newsletter). And some of our most devoted community members started a forum of their own at Pixie Dust Lane and all are invited over.
So we encourage you to stay in touch with us and your fellow community members wherever works best for you!
Best wishes for a wonderful and magical new year!
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06-29-2004, 01:21 PM
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Community Rank: Legend
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Michigan's Upper Peninsula
Posts: 27,691
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At what age?
At what age do you think it's acceptable to leave a child at home unattended?
Kylor thinks I should let him stay home while I just make a quick run to the shoppette (just down the road) Ya, right!! Got me to thinking, though, when will I feel comfortable leaving him alone? Probably never! Our rule is you can never be out of calling range (as in shouting! )
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06-29-2004, 01:48 PM
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Community Rank: Trailblazer
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Chicago Suburbs
Concierge Level: 7
Posts: 5,921
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Re: At what age?
Things are not like they were when I was growing up. My parents both worked and left my twin brother and I home after school alone for a couple hours before they got home from work. But, that was in the 70's. Nowaday's, with kids getting taken by family members and or strangers, I am not a believer in leaving my kids home alone until they are at least 16. And then, there would still be rules to follow. That might seem a bit old, but, unfotunately, we live in a society that makes it so children cannot be left alone.
Kristine
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06-29-2004, 02:08 PM
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Community Rank: Scout
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 4,695
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Re: At what age?
That's a tough question. I don't think I'd even consider it until at least 10 and only for short periods of not more than an hour or so. Even then I think it depends on the child's maturity and if they could handle any emergency that might come up. There would definitely have to be some ground rules, like keeping doors locked and not opening them for anyone. And a list of emergency numbers posted where the child can easily see them. Also having a trusted neighbor that they could go to would be good.
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06-29-2004, 02:31 PM
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Community Rank: Explorer
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Niagara Falls
Concierge Level: 3
Posts: 12,431
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Re: At what age?
I was 10, but that was in 1988...I'd reconsider a 10 year old right now...maybe 12/13??
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06-29-2004, 04:04 PM
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Community Rank: Trailblazer
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: MI
Posts: 5,570
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Re: At what age?
I have a very responsible 10 yo & still wouldn't leave him home alone. My DH & I think that maybe when he's 13 or so it'll be o.k. to leave him to run to the store & back; but I just may change my tune when we get there. I can't imagine how I'd feel if I did leave him & something happened. I guess I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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06-29-2004, 04:11 PM
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Community Rank: Explorer
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Near a Tower of Terror at the moment...
Posts: 13,884
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Re: At what age?
I was just thinking about that today...I really think it also matters *where* you live. We live in a semi-rural area, so I left my oldest 2 at home alone when they were 10 and 8. They were also fairly responsible, versed in what to do in an emergency and Grandma lives next door. If we lived in a city or more suburban area, didn't have relatives nearby, or DDs were too immature, I would certainly make them wait until they were older. I really don't think there's an age as much as a "stage". I, for one, will be glad when DDs can stay home alone and I can have some quiet time to run errands!!!
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06-29-2004, 04:31 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Whitefield, NH
Concierge Level: 6
Posts: 13,599
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Re: At what age?
LOL Tina!! Kylor is just a little older than Sarah, and she came home from my sister's camp with this story. Since I am big enough to ride my bike on the road at camp (Private camp - they can ride on the dead end road where my sister's place is, and that is it - Like you said, in hollering distance!), can I ride my bike on the streets in Whitefield - I'll take a walkie-talkie!" I do NOT think so!
With the older girls, I let them stay home during the day for short periods of time when they were around 11-12, sixth grade anyway! Of course, they couldn't stay home with Sarah until they did the babysitting course at around age 12 1/2-13, so that was somewhat of a moot point!
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06-29-2004, 08:13 PM
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Community Rank: Adventurer
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Duluth, Ga. , U.S.A.
Posts: 844
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Re: At what age?
My DD is 11 and my DS is 14(15 next month) and I leave them home right now while I'm at work. I get home around 2:45, so I guess it makes me think it's not too long. Their dad is home until around 9 a.m. (I leave around 6:25).
Sometimes I wonder if we've made the right decision, but with my son being older I feel like it's okay. They've also been tested many times on the rules(no opening doors or answering the phone unless it's my neighbor or one of us.)
It's a tough decision to make but I think you just have to judge for yourself when your child is ready. Every child is different.
Laura
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06-29-2004, 08:19 PM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 2,121
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Re: At what age?
I think it depends on each individual child. My oldest DD was 13 when I ran up to the local grocery (6 blks away). However I would not leave her alone more then 20 minutes. (she is ADHD) Now my youngest DD is only 9 and far more mature. I might consider leaving her for a quick run to the store at age 11.
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06-29-2004, 09:00 PM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: beautiful beachy FL
Posts: 2,357
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Re: At what age?
I remember staying home watching my younger brother when I was 11. Of course, we were in an isolated military base, so there was a feeling of safety (if you ignored the Cubans on the other side of the fence with Russian machine guns ). Anyway, that now sounds pretty young to me! Guess I'll have to wait and see how my DD is around 10-12. No time soon, that's for sure!
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06-29-2004, 09:24 PM
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Magic Happens!
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: E. Stroudsburg, PA
Concierge Level: 6
Posts: 29,184
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Re: At what age?
DS was about 13 when we started to leave him alone. We live pretty close to our family, so there was usually someone's house to send him to. I think we left him for a few hours between work/one of us being home, etc. It was only in the last few years that I have actually felt comfortable with him alone overnight (and he is now 20!! )
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06-30-2004, 12:22 AM
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Community Rank: Trailblazer
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Orlando, Fl
Posts: 5,517
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Re: At what age?
I was 10, but that was in the 80's. It's a tough question and depends on the child, but I'd probably say 13. That would only be for an hour or two..and then see how it goes from there.
Kelly
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06-30-2004, 04:14 AM
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Community Rank: Explorer
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 13,146
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Re: At what age?
I was also 10 but I think my younger sister was not left on her own until she was 15, times change don't they?
Karen
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06-30-2004, 09:26 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Chapel Hill, NC USA
Concierge Level: 6
Posts: 36,592
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Re: At what age?
My son turns 11 in August, daughter turns 9 in July. We live in a small suburban neighborhood with a pool and pond about a block away from our house. Currently we do allow our son to stay at home for up to about 1/2 hour or so if he doesn't want to accompany us to the pond to fish or to the pool. He knows where we are and we usually leave a 2-way with him, so we can keep in touch. We would not do the same for our daughter at this time, as she is still a bit young. We are also starting to let him walk alone to a friends house about a block away, where we used to deliver him to playdates.
We car pooled with a single mom of an 11 yr old last year. She would leave him home without her for about an hour each morning before we came to pick him up so that she could get to work. They worked into this gradually and it seemed to work quite well (originally, she would drop him at our house before leaving for her work).
-HiddenMickey
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06-30-2004, 10:53 AM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 2,066
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Re: At what age?
I was 9 when my Mom started working. My Dad had passed and my Mom needed to be out working. But that was a long time ago. I have a friend that needs to leave her boys alone for a few hours in the afternoon. Same situation, her husband passed from Cancer a few years ago and the boys got incredibly sick of going to a sitters at 13 and 10 yrs old.(They were actually 12 and 9 when they first started). I think it depends on the maturity of the child, the distance of the nearest adult relative,friend or neighbor and the area you live in.
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