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As of January 1, 2019, we have closed our forums. This is a decision we did not come to lightly, but it is necessary. The software our forums run on is just too out-of-date and it poses a significant security risk. The server software itself must be updated, and it cannot be without removing the forums.
So it is with a heavy heart that we say goodbye to our long-running forums. They came online in 2000 and brought together so many wonderful Disney fans. We had friendships form, careers launch, couples marry, children born ... all because of this amazing community.
Thank you to each of you who were a part of this community. You made it possible.
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We want to personally thank Sara Varney, who coordinated our community for many years (among so many other things she did for us), and Cheryl Pendry, our Message Board Manager who helped train our Guides, and Ginger Jabour, who helped us with the PassPorter-specific forums and Live! Guides. Thank you for your time, energy, and enthusiasm. You made it all happen.
There are other changes as well.
Why? Well, the world has changed. And change with it, we must. The lyrics to "We Go On" for IllumiNations say it best:
We go on to the joy and through the tears
We go on to discover new frontiers
Moving on with the current of the years.
We go on
Moving forward now as one
Moving on with a spirit born to run
Ever on with each rising sun.
To a new day, we go on.
It's time to move on and move forward.
PassPorter is a small business, and for many years it supported our family. But the world changed, print books took a backseat to the Internet, and for a long time now it has been unable to make ends meet. We've had to find new ways to support our family, which means new careers and less and less time available to devote to our first baby, PassPorter.
But eventually, we must move on and move forward. It is the right thing to do.
So we are retiring this newsletter, as we simply cannot keep up with it. Many thanks to Mouse Fan Travel who supported it all these years, to All Ears and MousePlanet who helped us with news, to our many article contributors, and -- most importantly -- to Sara Varney who edited our newsletter so wonderfully for years and years.
And we are no longer charging for the Live Guides. If you have a subscription, it's yours to keep for the lifetime of the Live Guides at no additional cost. The Live Guides will stay online, barring server issues and technical problems, for all of 2019.
That said, PassPorter is not going away. Most of the resources will remain online for as long as we can support them, and after that we will find ways to make whatever we can available. PassPorter means a great deal to us, and to many of you, and we will do our best to keep it alive in whatever way we can. Our server costs are high, and they'll need to come out of our pockets, so in the future you can expect some changes so we can bring those costs down.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for your amazing support over the years. Without you, there's no way us little guys could have made something like this happen and given the "big guys" a run for their money. PassPorter was consistently the #3 guidebook after the Unofficial and Official guides, which was really unheard of for such a small company to do. We ROCKED it thanks to you and your support and love!
If you miss us, you can still find some of us online. Sara started a new blog at DisneyParkPrincess.com -- I strongly urge you to visit and get on her mailing list. She IS the Disney park princess and knows Disney backward and forward. And I am blogging as well at JenniferMaker.com, which is a little craft blog I started a couple of years ago to make ends meet. You can see and hear me in my craft show at https://www.youtube.com/c/jennifermaker . Many PassPorter readers and fans are on Facebook, in groups they formed like the PassPorter Trip Reports and PassPorter Crafting Challenge (if you join, just let them know you read about it in the newsletter). And some of our most devoted community members started a forum of their own at Pixie Dust Lane and all are invited over.
So we encourage you to stay in touch with us and your fellow community members wherever works best for you!
Best wishes for a wonderful and magical new year!
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12-27-2003, 12:16 AM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North Dakota aka frozen wastelands
Posts: 2,025
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Blue Laws?
Cheryl's earlier post about stores being open on Boxing Day reminded me about a conversation I had a while ago with the ladies(all of them much older than me) in my bible study. They were talking about how nobody stayed at home on Sunday's anymore since they repealed the shopping blue law. I didnt know what that was, so I had to look it up:
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term "blue laws" originally applied to laws enacted by the Puritans in seventeenth-century Connecticut to regulate moral behavior (especially what people must or must not do on the Sabbath)
Anyway, I looked up when the shopping blue law was repealled in North Dakota and was suprised to find out it was only repealed 12 years ago, in 1991. Before that, only grocery stores, convenience stores, gas stations and resturaunts could be open on Sundays.
Do any of you remember a time when stores were not open on Sundays?
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12-27-2003, 06:39 AM
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PassPorter Message Board Manager PassPorter Guide Author
Community Rank: Legend VIP
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Maidstone, Kent, UK
Concierge Level: 3
Posts: 190,285
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Re: Blue Laws?
Yes - our stores only started opening on Sundays in the late 80's / early 90's. Even now, they're only allowed to open for six hours on a Sunday, under Sunday trading laws.
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12-27-2003, 08:04 AM
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Community Rank: Explorer
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: The Jersey Shore
Posts: 7,249
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Re: Blue Laws?
Stores didn't start opening on Sunday until around 1980 here in NJ.
And we have one county, Bergen, that still stays closed.
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12-27-2003, 08:13 AM
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Community Rank: Explorer
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Poinciana, Florida
Posts: 9,422
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Re: Blue Laws?
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Oh gosh yes! I grew up in Massachusetts. I think there only convenience stores, gas stations and drug stores (no chain drug stores then) could be open on Sundays. But we lived on the New Hamster border and everything was open up there. I do remember the police in Massachusetts arresting store managers that opened other stores in the mid 80's when they started to test the law.
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12-27-2003, 08:45 AM
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Community Rank: Navigator
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Tioga County, PA
Posts: 6,102
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Re: Blue Laws?
We got an Ames store in the fall of 1975 but I don't remember if it was open Sunday or not in the beginning. We don't live far from New York State and I can't remember when the mall started Sun hours.
The stores have been open on Sundays for so long that it's hard to remember a time when they weren't open. Makes me feel sad.
Signed,
Longing for simplier times.
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12-27-2003, 09:25 AM
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Community Rank: Explorer
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 7,478
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Re: Blue Laws?
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I grew up in Massachusetts. I think there only convenience stores, gas stations and drug stores (no chain drug stores then) could be open on Sundays. But we lived on the New Hamster border and everything was open up there.
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I still live in Massachusetts (not far from the NH border). The blue laws still exist here, in that liquor stores cannot open on Sundays -- except -- those within 20 miles of the NH border. I don't remember when that law was modified, but I think it applies to all liquor stores in the state during the holiday season. I think the state wants to benefit from all the booze buying that goes with the holiday season.
I'm old enough to remember when everything shut down on Sundays except for the movie theaters. It was so quiet, it was like a ghost town.
Could you imagine what it would be like if WDW shut down on Sundays??? That would have a huge impact on the bottom line.
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12-27-2003, 09:30 AM
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Community Rank: Globetrotter
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Parsippany,NJ
Posts: 3,235
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Re: Blue Laws?
I grew up in Bergen County in NJ and I thought that stores everywhere were closed on Sunday. Eventually, I discovered that the Willowbrook Mall in Wayne (Passaic County) was open.
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12-27-2003, 09:55 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Connecticut
Concierge Level: 6
Posts: 16,825
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Re: Blue Laws?
My parents live in Bergen County, NJ and I live in CT so we are VERY familiar with blue laws! In Ridgewood, NJ, where my parents live, none of the restaurants have liquor licenses so everything is BYOB. But you can buy liquor until pretty late. In CT you cannot buy liquor or beer on Sundays or after 9:00 pm on any other day. (This just changed, it was 8:00 until about 3 months ago.) Also, CT still has many laws on the books that dictate things like contraception or what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms!
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12-27-2003, 10:19 AM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Katy, Texas
Posts: 2,416
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Re: Blue Laws?
Yes, I remember when nothing was open on Sundays. I don't really remember when the stores started opening on Sundays but there were still certain items that couldn't be sold on Sundays before noon - I remember grocery stores having areas roped off until noon.
There are still several counties in Texas that are "dry" and stores are not allowed to sell any alcoholic beverages. Restaurants get around the law by selling "memberships" because private clubs can sell drinks. Silly law - it just makes people drive a few miles to the next county to pick up beer or wine. Think of the sales tax dollars being lost by those dry counties!
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12-27-2003, 10:39 AM
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Community Rank: Globetrotter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,968
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Re: Blue Laws?
<font color="blue"> I'm familiar with Blue Laws. I remember as a child stores not being open on Sunday. Then it changed stores opened around 11 or noon.
I was invited to a friends house for dinner. I thought I'd pick up some flowers and a bottle of wine. Much to my surprise I couldn't find anything open. Only to find out that my friend lived in Bergen County which still had the blue laws in affect. I just was amazed.... but the there was no traffic and it was actually nice. </font>
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12-27-2003, 11:08 AM
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Community Rank: Legend
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Michigan's Upper Peninsula
Posts: 27,691
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Re: Blue Laws?
The only thing I know is the liquor section of the store being roped off until noon on Sunday, which is still in effect. As far as I remember, stores have been open on Sunday.
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12-27-2003, 11:19 AM
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Community Rank: Explorer
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Longfellow's "Jewel by the Sea"
Posts: 14,165
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Re: Blue Laws?
I remember our Blue Law being repealed sometime in the 80s. Now the only Sunday restriction is limiting alcohol sales until noon.
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12-27-2003, 11:29 AM
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Community Rank: Trailblazer
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: jacksonville, fl usa
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Re: Blue Laws?
A small village, South Holland, near where I grew up in the south suburbs of Chicago still have blue laws in effect. Only businesses open are those serving travelers...gas stations and restaurants. Oh yes, it is also a dry town.
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12-27-2003, 01:17 PM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: North Dakota aka frozen wastelands
Posts: 2,025
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Re: Blue Laws?
They still are not allowed to sell any kind of liquor on Sundays, except for at Sams. Grocery stores still rope off the liquor section on Sundays.
No car lots open on Sundays either. Do any of your car dealerships open on Sundays? I wonder if that is a national law, as ive never seen a car dealership open on a Sunday.
I actually love car shopping on a Sunday. Gives you time to look at cars and get an idea of what you want w/o a salesman descending on you as soon as you drive in the lot.
Forget religious reasons for being closed on Sundays. Wouldnt it be nice to have things closed on Sundays again. We never slow down. A day w/nothing open would give families a better chance to spend time together. Go to the movies, go on a picnic, sled on a giant hill, racing your dad.
Weve had a "Sunday blue law" in effect in our home since we first had children. No friends over on Sunday, including the adults. Sunday is for us and us alone(unless we have company staying over of course). WE go to the movies, we take long drives in the country, go snowmobiling, 4 wheeling, out on the boat fishing, whatever we want. It is actually very nice and a restful way for my husband to spend his last day off before going back to a very stressful job.
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12-27-2003, 05:21 PM
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Community Rank: Trailblazer
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Houston
Posts: 5,162
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Re: Blue Laws?
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They used to have to close on Sundays but they argued that they were losing so much money that the law was changed. Now they can open on Sunday and most do, but they have to close at least one day per week so many dealerships are closed on Monday. I've even seen some that close on Saturday and are open on Sunday.
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