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Old 12-23-2016, 01:02 PM   #1
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Christmas 2017

Surprising DH with a trip next holiday season to boost his Christmas spirit. Will be adult only and no kids. I was looking around 12/9-12/14. My question is, how are the crowds then? We have always gone during spring break, so we are used to heavy crowds. Would like to enjoy this trip and take in all of the holiday magic. Thanks for any advice!
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Sounds wonderful! It's a fairly low crowd time to visit, but with some catches. Since MK has the Christmas party four nights a week, those three full length days can get very busy.

The parks and resorts will be completely decked for the holidays. Don't miss visiting the deluxe resorts to see the decorations. And you might find some holiday surprises - there was a group singing carols one evening at Wilderness Lodge when I was there during the same week this year.
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We have gone several times to WDW after Thanksgiving weekend up to the week of Christmas. All the decorations are up after Thanksgiving and the Christmas spirit is definitely abound. It's usually considered a Value Season for us - DVC members (Disney Vacation Club) so we really get our moneys worth and the crowds are low. If you can go earlier in December it is well worth it. By the way, my husband and I love going to WDW together without any kids. It's like dating all over again. Enjoy!!
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We also are planning a trip next year for the exact same reason. Although, in our case, DH asked to go. He wants to do the Holiday Storytellers around the World Showcase. Most of our trips in the past 5 years have been kids-free, and we tend to go at a slower pace. I'd plan a day of things he likes, as well as, at least one nice dinner. Make sure to check out the resort decorations.
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In my experience, the crowds are extremely low the first week of December, but they build gradually through the month until the Christmas mob scene. By the 15th, crowds are usually moderate to heavy.

Early December is typically when the Pop Warner football and cheer competition is in WDW. The teams are housed at the All-Star resorts (sports, with overflow going to Music), but they spend their days in practice and games, and only hit the parks and Disney Springs in the evenings.

My recommendations for early December would be:
  1. Don't stay at ASSP or ASMU. ASMO will do in pinch, but you're best off at Pop if you want to stay at a Value resort. The Pop Warner teams don't significantly affect the Moderate or Deluxe resorts.
  2. Rent a car. This is something I tell people no matter the time of year; it allows you to skip the crowded WDW transportation system and self-drive to the parks, DTD, and other destinations, saving tremendous time and energy. With only two of you, you can rent a smaller car - economy, compact, or mid-size.
  3. Be sure to visit Fort Wilderness Campground and walk around to look at the lights and decorations put up by the Guests. Some of them are pretty spectacular. MOre Guests arrive and decorate as Christmas approaches, so two visits - one early in your trip, and one during the last 2-3 days - would give you a good cross-section of the decorations. It's also a great excuse to eat at Trail's End, as well as go to Hoop-Dee-Doo Review.
  4. Keep a close eye on the weather forecast for Orlando in the last 3 or 4 days before you depart, and re-pack accordingly. Weather during December fluctuates significantly; I've seen it stay below 50 one day, hit 75 degrees the very next day, and go to 80 the day after that. And even after warm days, the nights can get cold enough to be uncomfortable, so I have often found myself wearing shorts and a t-shirt, but going back to my room to change into long pants and a sweatshirt around dinner time.
  5. Get your ADRs chosen well in advance and make them the instant your booking window opens. During times of low attendance, the restaurants still fill up pretty quickly - especially if Disney offers discount packages, upgrades, or any free dining packages during that time period.

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We found Disney transport quite easy to use during the week leading up to Christmas Day last year. Trains and buses were more crowded than we'd experienced in mid-November but no worse than in high summer.

While it is good advice to have a rental car just in case, I doubt you'll really need one unless getting places as fast as humanly possible is a priority.
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