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Old 12-24-2010, 11:12 AM   #1
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Service Dog questions

We are looking into getting a new puppy to train as a service dog for Ramoan. For those of you with service dogs, what must he do to have the dog certified as a service dog?

He has Acute Social Anxiety (bordering on Social Phobia), Major Depression, Generalized Anxiety, and OCD. Since we moved into my parents' house, the dogs here have done WONDERS for him. One of the dogs is a retired military dog, and now a service/therapy dog for my dad. But he came to Dad pre-trained and pre-certified.

Ramoan wants to do the training for the puppy himself. But other than buying a vest that says "service dog" what other certification do we need to go through to make it official?

Oh, and we are looking to find a boxer, so if anyone knows of a good boxer rescue in the South Texas/ Gulf Coast Texas area, please let me know.
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I waited 24 hours for a response. From what I have read online I would suggest getting a trained dog. The agencies will work with the person, train the person, and get the right dog to do the job. The agencies usually are trained to see things that the person may not see such as jobs for the dog to do or type of dog best suited for the person.
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Adopt a Boxer - Lone Star Boxer Rescue - a local Houston boxer rescue
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I am so happy to hear you want a rescue dog
Be sure to discuss what needs you have for your dog so the rescue can help match you to the best dog to fit your needs. I am involved with Whippet & Weimaraner rescue here. Maybe a nice Weimaraner will fit your bill We have dogs in your area too..
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Adopt a Boxer - Lone Star Boxer Rescue - a local Houston boxer rescue
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I am so happy to hear you want a rescue dog
Be sure to discuss what needs you have for your dog so the rescue can help match you to the best dog to fit your needs. I am involved with Whippet & Weimaraner rescue here. Maybe a nice Weimaraner will fit your bill We have dogs in your area too..

Thanks for the links, Deb. We have been looking at the local shelters to find a boxer, but they never have any. So we started looking for rescue groups in the area.

Thank you for the advice on discussing our needs with the rescue. When I sent out inquiry emails to the rescue groups, I made sure to include that we are looking for a dog to train as a service/therapy dog.

Weimaraners are beautiful dogs, but I just can't see my sweetheart with one. It would almost be like seeing a huge biker with a tiny little teacup chihuahua. LOL Seriously, he has his heart set on a boxer. He used to have one years ago and was even part of a boxer rescue when he lived in Ohio. So it's a boxer for us. Although, once we get this one, who knows?
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You may want to talk with a trainer about how to train a service dog. A service dog must be actively doing something, providing a service. A dog making a person calmer or being a positive influence does NOT legally qualify as a service dog - that is an emotional support animal, which does not have the same standing with the law. Emotional Support Animals are NOT allowed into most businesses, for example.

What particular tasks do you want the dog to help with? Is there a particular behaviour you want the dog to intervene with? For example, are you going to train the dog to see the first signs of a panic attack? That could be VERY hard to do on your own.

A dog making a person feel more confident is not a service, unfortunately. I just want to make sure that if there is an issue, you are firmly on the right side of the law!

Also, are you planning on working with a trainer? It can be very hard to train the behaviours you want into a service dog. For example, the dog when in public, should not even wag its tail too much. It should not sniff things, etc.

You may also want to be careful of a boxer because they are DROOLY dogs! If the dog is going to drool, you really cant bring it into a lot of places. I know that if a service dog at the next table in a restaurant was drooling all over the floor, I would speak to management, because it is just gross. It is not uncommon for boxers to have drool hanging from their mouths all the time, so that may be an issue.

I am SO for you guys getting a service dog - I just wanted to mention the issues that can come up with training your own, especially for such a difficult need as anxiety problems...
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Thank you for the great advice TinkerbellK. He does want to train the dog to pick up on his anxiety attacks. As it is now, I am the one that spots when he is about to have an anxiety attack and I give him his medication. However, I can't always be there. So he does want train the dog to spot the start of an attack and alert him, so that he can take his medications.
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Thank you for the great advice TinkerbellK. He does want to train the dog to pick up on his anxiety attacks. As it is now, I am the one that spots when he is about to have an anxiety attack and I give him his medication. However, I can't always be there. So he does want train the dog to spot the start of an attack and alert him, so that he can take his medications.
Then you might definitely want to talk to a trainer or a professional organization. I know that some dogs can "smell" things like high blood pressure and seizures and some simply cannot. This extra "sense" for lack of a better term, cannot be trained in. I am not sure if it is the same for sensing panic attacks.

Also, you may want to ask for a training consultation about the dog you pick - some are simply not suited to the type of life a service dog must lead. It can be very hard to train a service dog not to try to smell at food or other people, and I am not sure if you can even train a boxer to not drool (which in my opinion is a MUST for a service dog like a boxer)...

I am not saying not to do it, but speaking with a trainer to get more ideas and getting an eval of dogs BEFORE you adopt one may be a good idea.
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I agree, Some breeds are not as good as others.
Breeds that are "people pleasers" do make better service dogs..
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Like I said I would talk to a trainer to see what needs a dog can meet. Dogs can smell changes in ketone and other stuff in person with diabetes. As for sensing emotional changes that is more of an instinct of the dog. Rescue groups can find you a dog from far from you sometimes. Houston ASPCA has a show on Animal Planet that deals with animal welfare and neglect cases . That is one place you could check and try to get a boxer from. Some breeds like boxers go to new homes very fast so that you may not see them. I do not remember my neighbor's boxer as being a slobber machine but still it is something to think about.

I would consider how often your son goes out in public and how much contact the dog would have with the public. That brings up the legal side of having a dog that helps a person. A dog might not even be allowed in a restaurant if it is not legally a service dog. Even if it were a poodle or greyhound it would not be allowed in most public areas so that the drooling issue would be a moot point.
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Adopt a Boxer - Lone Star Boxer Rescue - a local Houston boxer rescue
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I am so happy to hear you want a rescue dog
Be sure to discuss what needs you have for your dog so the rescue can help match you to the best dog to fit your needs. I am involved with Whippet & Weimaraner rescue here. Maybe a nice Weimaraner will fit your bill We have dogs in your area too..
Great link!

Here is another:
American Dog Trainers Network -- SERVICE AND ASSISTANCE DOGS


I've seen service dogs in a variety of settings, and I find them to be one of the most healing influences ever. I also live close to Morristown, where many dogs are trained. You can always see them walking around with their little vests. It always makes me smile.

As a cat person, though, what about service cats?
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Previous posters covered the difference between an Emotional Support Dog (not included under the ADA) and a Service Dog (which is covered under the ADA). Important thing to keep in mind is that the dog has no rights, the person with a disability has the right to use a Service Dog as an assistive device. It sounds sort of strange, but a dog is covered the same way under the ADA as a wheelchair is - the dog and the wheelchair are needed to provide assistance required because of the disability. If the dog has not been individually trained to do something to assist with the disability, it is not a Service Dog.

Also, check the rules in your state.
Although the ADA says that you can't be required to have any special certification, some states do have requirements that say you have to have special training and certification (don't even get into whether that is legal or not according to the ADA).

For example, in Minnesota, Service Dogs are required to be trained by a Service Dog trainer. The dog and handler also have to pass a test with some specific items (mostly obedience) in order to get certification. We are training our own dog partly and also working with a certified Service Dog training program. It sounds easier to train your own dog than it actually is. It is a lot of work and you must be very consistent at it. Even though we did some of the training, we were working under the guidance of a certified trainer and she also did some of the training. So, we did meet the Minnesota state law. If we had just 'done our own thing' as far as training, we would not be able to have our dog tested and certified.
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Thank you for the information everyone! And thank you for all the great links.
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I am waiting for a service dog for our son who is Autistic. They place we are getting ours through trains the dog - then we have to go there for a week of training. To be a true "service" dog both the dog and the handlers (you) need to be certified. They told me we will have to renew it yearly and carry our paperwork wherever we go. If the dog and you arent certified then the dog cant go everywhere with you.

Good Luck!! I hope you find a dog that suits you and your child. I was amazed when they bought one their dogs here for the day - my son interacted with the dog so well
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Thank you for all the great information. I know a dog will greatly benefit my DBF as I have already seen how well he benefits from the dogs here. We are looking into all of our options for training. And the information about both of them needing to be certified is wonderful! Thanks again.
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My Previous TripsWDW 1989 OP; WDW July 2007 Coronado Springs & OP; WDW 2009 Caribbean Beach; 2011 Disney Dream & AKL; 2014 AS Music & Coronado Springs; 2016 AS Sports
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