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[color=#3366ff][font=Comic Sans MS] And the concept of "drinking underage" didn't really even exist until 1984. 1984!!
Just to set the record straight.....I'm not sure when the "drinking underage" thing really started, but it was LONG before 1984. I've been around since 1942 (yeah, I'm an old lady), and during my lifetime, and I'm sure before, there were laws regulating the legal age to drink. The magic number was 21 for a long, long time - then legislation was enacted to lower the drinking age ("if you can fight for your country at 18, you should be allowed to vote and drink"). So, 18 became the "new" legal drinking age. However, traffic fatalities and other alcohol-related problems skyrocketed in the 18-21 age group (and lower, because of older kids legally buying alcohol for their younger cohorts), so the legal drinking once again was raised to 21. So, okay, I'm not clear as to the dates when these things happened, but I was there, and I remember.....
I'm not saying that every kid goes out and drinks, but many do....and it's appalling how easy it is for them to gain access to alcohol...
Okay, I'm off my soapbox now....move over, Lori, I'm joinin' ya, hon.....
I know the legal drinking age was raised in 1982 b/c that was the year I turned 18 and everyone was feeling sorry for me (even though I was never a drinker!)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but as late as the late 80s, soldiers who were 18-20 could purchase beer and wine coolers on base?
the whole idea behind having a legal drinking age is dumb. it should be a suggested drinking age. making it a law does not keep people from drinking whenever they want. it only punishes those who are unfortunate enough to get caught. it's like saying that having a legal speed limit keeps people from speeding.
whether or not people are mature enough to drink depends on the individual. of course there are people who drink out of control (this happens at all ages). making something unavailable to people only intrigues them to try it more. when i was growing up, i had super strict parents who were all like no drinking or anything questionable because it's bad. of course i said to myself, i want to find out for myself. when i did, everything that was supposed to be "bad" was actually fun. it would make more sense for parents to explain that drinking in moderation in a controlled setting is something safe to do. instead, we have parents who say drinking is bad. you're not allowed to do it til you're 21. these kids then get curious and sneak around behind their parents' back to try alcohol with older kids who aren't looking out for their safety. i just feel the whole system we have set up is silly and just leads to deceit and trouble. making activities that are meant to be fun into stuff bad people do isn't the answer.
The problem is that it is well-documented that the teen brain is not fully developed until sometime into the twenties which is why teens tend to make more poor choices than older people. The other issue with alcohol is that particular type of "fun" has deadly consequences, too often impacting completely innocent people, so I don't have a problem with the drinking age.
I also wish that more people understood the dangers of "hookups" and "friends with benefits". Thanks to my ex's hookup behavior, I have permanent problems and a disease that could eventually cause me to have cancer. I had NO idea and too many people are out there passing diseases around they aren't even aware of.
There are plenty of ways to have fun that don't involve losing control of one's faculties or living with something horrible for the rest of your life. My heart breaks for them.
Yes, on base, and that still applies (as far as i know), but not off base, even with military ID (DS tried that when he was 19 in the late 80's....).
Not in the Navy, it doesn't. : I can't really speak for the other services, as the others have some different rules from the Navy but I am almost sure it doesn't.
DH and I have been in and around the military since the mid-90s (I was barely 19 when I enlisted and DH was 20 when he came in) and neither of us were able to buy alcohol, even on base, until we turned 21.
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if we're worried about children's safety, maybe we should not let them drive or ride in cars til they're 21 either. more die that way than alcohol. everything humans do each day can have deadly consequences. eating at mcdonald's can kill you because of the obesity and atherosclerosis it causes. each thing we do you have to weigh risk vs benefit of it. most prescription drugs you take have all kinds of adverse side effects. you still take them because the benefits outweigh the risks.
this goes back to what i was saying about parents should explain to their children the risks associated with drinking instead of just saying don't drink b/c it's bad. also, sex education should be taught in school so that they know what is involved instead of just saying don't do it til you're married. kids don't listen. i didn't listen when i was a teenager. i turned out fine. we need to understand that there are more gray areas instead of just black and white.
this goes back to what i was saying about parents should explain to their children the risks associated with drinking instead of just saying don't drink b/c it's bad. also, sex education should be taught in school so that they know what is involved instead of just saying don't do it til you're married. kids don't listen. i didn't listen when i was a teenager. i turned out fine. we need to understand that there are more gray areas instead of just black and white.
I absolutely agree with you. I had friends whose parents were all "taboo" and most of them made some pretty serious mistakes. My parents were very conservative, Southern Baptist, dancin' foot and prayin' knee don't grow on the same leg kind of folks BUT, they taught us WHY from a very young age. They encouraged us to challenge the WHY of everything.
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: I can't really speak for the other services, as the others have some different rules from the Navy but I am almost sure it doesn't. 
BUT, they taught us WHY from a very young age. They encouraged us to challenge the WHY of everything.
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