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As of January 1, 2019, we have closed our forums. This is a decision we did not come to lightly, but it is necessary. The software our forums run on is just too out-of-date and it poses a significant security risk. The server software itself must be updated, and it cannot be without removing the forums.
So it is with a heavy heart that we say goodbye to our long-running forums. They came online in 2000 and brought together so many wonderful Disney fans. We had friendships form, careers launch, couples marry, children born ... all because of this amazing community.
Thank you to each of you who were a part of this community. You made it possible.
And a very special thank you to our Guides (moderators), past and present, who kept our forums a happy place to be. You are the glue that held everything together, and we are forever grateful to you. Thank you aliceinwdw, Caldercup, MrsM, WillCAD, Fortissimo, GingerJ, HiddenMickey, CRCrazy, Eeyoresmom, disneyknut, disneydani, Cam22, chezp, WDWfan, Luvsun, KMB733, rescuesk, OhToodles!, Colexis Mom, lfredsbo, HiddenMickey, DrDolphin, DopeyGirl, duck addict, Disneybine, PixieMichele, Sandra Bostwick, Eeyore Tattoo, DyanKJ130, Suzy Q'Disney, LilMarcieMouse, AllisonG, Belle*, Chrissi, Brant, DawnDenise, Crystalloubear, Disneymom9092, FanOfMickey, Goofy4Goofy, GoofyMom, Home4us123, iamgrumpy, ilovedisney247, Jennifer2003, Jenny Pooh, KrisLuvsDisney, Ladyt, Laughaholic88, LauraBelle Hime, Lilianna, LizardCop, Loobyoxlip, lukeandbrooksmom, marisag, michnash, MickeyMAC, OffKilter_Lynn, PamelaK, Poor_Eeyore, ripkensnana, RobDVC, SHEANA1226, Shell of the South, snoozin, Statelady01, Tara O'Hara, tigger22, Tink and Co., Tinkerbelz, WDWJAMBA, wdwlovers, Wendyismyname, whoSEZ, WildforWD, and WvuGrrrl. You made the magic.
We want to personally thank Sara Varney, who coordinated our community for many years (among so many other things she did for us), and Cheryl Pendry, our Message Board Manager who helped train our Guides, and Ginger Jabour, who helped us with the PassPorter-specific forums and Live! Guides. Thank you for your time, energy, and enthusiasm. You made it all happen.
There are other changes as well.
Why? Well, the world has changed. And change with it, we must. The lyrics to "We Go On" for IllumiNations say it best:
We go on to the joy and through the tears
We go on to discover new frontiers
Moving on with the current of the years.
We go on
Moving forward now as one
Moving on with a spirit born to run
Ever on with each rising sun.
To a new day, we go on.
It's time to move on and move forward.
PassPorter is a small business, and for many years it supported our family. But the world changed, print books took a backseat to the Internet, and for a long time now it has been unable to make ends meet. We've had to find new ways to support our family, which means new careers and less and less time available to devote to our first baby, PassPorter.
But eventually, we must move on and move forward. It is the right thing to do.
So we are retiring this newsletter, as we simply cannot keep up with it. Many thanks to Mouse Fan Travel who supported it all these years, to All Ears and MousePlanet who helped us with news, to our many article contributors, and -- most importantly -- to Sara Varney who edited our newsletter so wonderfully for years and years.
And we are no longer charging for the Live Guides. If you have a subscription, it's yours to keep for the lifetime of the Live Guides at no additional cost. The Live Guides will stay online, barring server issues and technical problems, for all of 2019.
That said, PassPorter is not going away. Most of the resources will remain online for as long as we can support them, and after that we will find ways to make whatever we can available. PassPorter means a great deal to us, and to many of you, and we will do our best to keep it alive in whatever way we can. Our server costs are high, and they'll need to come out of our pockets, so in the future you can expect some changes so we can bring those costs down.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for your amazing support over the years. Without you, there's no way us little guys could have made something like this happen and given the "big guys" a run for their money. PassPorter was consistently the #3 guidebook after the Unofficial and Official guides, which was really unheard of for such a small company to do. We ROCKED it thanks to you and your support and love!
If you miss us, you can still find some of us online. Sara started a new blog at DisneyParkPrincess.com -- I strongly urge you to visit and get on her mailing list. She IS the Disney park princess and knows Disney backward and forward. And I am blogging as well at JenniferMaker.com, which is a little craft blog I started a couple of years ago to make ends meet. You can see and hear me in my craft show at https://www.youtube.com/c/jennifermaker . Many PassPorter readers and fans are on Facebook, in groups they formed like the PassPorter Trip Reports and PassPorter Crafting Challenge (if you join, just let them know you read about it in the newsletter). And some of our most devoted community members started a forum of their own at Pixie Dust Lane and all are invited over.
So we encourage you to stay in touch with us and your fellow community members wherever works best for you!
Best wishes for a wonderful and magical new year!
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09-03-2001, 11:27 PM
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Community Rank: Legend
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Indiana , USA
Concierge Level: 7
Posts: 26,527
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Horses- worth it or not?
We are thinking of getteing horses and ponies for all the girls this x-mas. Anyone out there have/had them? There is a stable 1 mi. down the road we live on and our dog's vet is also a large aninmal vet. What problems have you had? How much time per day is spent in caring for them?
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09-04-2001, 12:21 AM
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Community Rank: Trekker
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: South Elgin, IL
Posts: 1,043
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Re: Horses- worth it or not?
I had my own horse for over 20 years. My grand old fellow finally died four years ago at the ripe old age of 24. While I miss him terribly, and miss riding, I do NOT miss all the hassle and expense of caring for him.
Problems include -- not getting what you pay for at the boarding stables. Stalls that are filthy (even though you pay handsomely to have it cleaned); mouldy hay, cheap gritty grain (for which you are paying premium prices); animals left without food or water for a couple of days because the barn help quit or the manager went on vacation or the grain delivery was late. I've found all of these things to be true at every stable I've used for the past 20 years.
More problems -- horses need shoes and if you think shoes for children are expensive, they are NOTHING compared to shoes for a horse. Expect shoeing to run over $100 per animal every 8 to 12 weeks. Horseshoers are few and far between, they have more business than they can handle and therefore don't worry too much if they don't make you happy. They are temperamental, often don't show up for appointments or are hours late, leaving you twiddling your thumbs while you wait for them.
Horses are actually quite delicate creatures. They are easily injured and the treatments are never cheap and are often time consuming. They can become fatally ill from eating that mouldy hay you're paying so much money for.
As for time -- expect to spend 2 hours a day at the stables, at least 5 days a week to keep a horse properly groomed and exercised.
I don't mean to sound so negative, I absolutely adored my horse, and I loved having him, riding him, caring for him. But horses are undeniably very expensive and very time consuming. I'd think long and hard before buying even ONE for a child, let alone buying multiple animals, as you seem to be talking about doing. And once you have the horse(s), if the girls lose interest in them and don't take care of them, they can be extremely difficult to sell. And all the time they are for sale and your girls want nothing more to do with them, they are standing in the stable eating, needing their shoes replaced and their shots updated and generally costing you lots of money.
Take a good, long, hard look before you make this leap! [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]
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09-04-2001, 08:29 AM
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Community Rank: Explorer
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Poinciana, Florida
Posts: 9,422
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Re: Horses- worth it or not?
Ditto on the expense and time to have a horse. We had two horses when I was about 12 to 14 years old. We had our own stable. Things I loved: Riding the trails. Driving the buggy. Riding in parades.
Things I hated: Caring for sick horses ALL night several times. Cleaning the stalls. Trying to find escaped horses, usually at night.
Things my parents hated: Fixing the fence. Paying for the care of the horses. Keeping after us kids to clean the horses and stalls.
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09-04-2001, 10:25 AM
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Community Rank: Wayfarer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: MA
Posts: 158
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Re: Horses- worth it or not?
Ditto everything that's been said. But if you add the expense and aggrevation of showing your horse, which is what I did, multiply all the hassles by about two hundred percent. I loved my horse, she was my first baby, but the time and $$$ involved were pretty astronomical. DD started asking for a horse a few years ago, but we said no. And we could have boarded so close to our house you can see the place. It just would have been too much. And now that she's 15, she doesn't mention horses at all, so I know we made the right choice...
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09-04-2001, 11:54 PM
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Community Rank: Adventurer
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Gilbert, AZ, USA
Posts: 922
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Re: Horses- worth it or not?
I have to agree with everything being said. Having a horse is a wonderful and fabulous thing, but it can also be quite trying an so expensive. My sister and I both had horses. My mom and dad had to sell there good silver and china to pay for food for the horses when times were tough. Showing, stabling, shoeing, caring for, etc... is very time consuming and very costly. Make sure this is something your children will stay with before purchasing. If you don't know anything about horses please make sure you find someone you trust to help you purchase sound horses. You don't want to end up with a stable bound horse or one that is in poor health - trust me there are people out there that sell animals that shouldn't be sold.
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09-05-2001, 11:03 PM
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Community Rank: Legend
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Indiana , USA
Concierge Level: 7
Posts: 26,527
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Re: Horses- worth it or not?
Thanks all. We have been really thinking hard. I am going to start "dropping" in at the stable a few times a month for a while. And, I am going to start doing a lot of research. My dad and his 3rd. wife had some years ago and he told me pretty much all you have. Maybe a nice doll? Or just 1 or 2 horses.
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09-06-2001, 01:10 PM
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Community Rank: Traveler
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: morgantown,wv,usa
Posts: 222
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Re: Horses- worth it or not?
Okay, the OTHER side of the coin...I couldn't live without my "kids"-Mariah, Windy and Highlander. We kept hubby's horse until she died at the ripe old age of 27, and we both sat in the field and cried when we lost her. Horses CAN be expensive, or not. We do not show, we do not have "high-dollar" horses, we do not have the latest styles in tack etc. We DO have the farrier out every 8 wks, have the vet out yearly (fingers crossed here), and haul in hay all winter (we used to put up our own, but I found I rather enjoy buying it instead!). I would recommend going to that stable down the road and talking to the owners, others that board there, the farrier and vet that service that barn etc. You will get a very real picture of what to expect in the way of expenses and care. These same people are also your best resource for finding appropriate animals for your children. And remember, you don't ride the "papers".
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09-06-2001, 01:36 PM
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Community Rank: Traveler
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Smyrna, TN
Posts: 361
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Re: Horses- worth it or not?
Teresa,
You sound like my Dad last Christmas! He bought a 1-1/2yr old quarter horse for his 6 grandchildren, my share of the gk's are the only ones that live in state and we are 1 hour away from Papaw's house. They keep the horses, did I mention that he bought another last Feb.????, on thier farm.
The feeding and caring are no big deal since they also have thirtysomething cows (I can't keep up with all the new calves), a dog, and 3 cats. The only "major" hassle is that you have to mess with them daily or they forget what they have learned. That means working, riding, and generally touch them. Don't get me wrong, I love it. But I wish Papaw lived closer so I could do more with them. There is always a time factor. My s-mom spends about a hour a day with each horse. I'm lucky if I get to go once every 2 weeks.
Wish you the best of luck!
[ 09-06-2001: Message edited by: skychey ]
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