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Old 02-28-2006, 08:46 AM   #1
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I was this close, but no deal

DH and I have been on the new car thing again. We searched and searched finally decided to just go with a Honda Odessey even though it would be tight for a while with the payments.

Went to our local dealer last evening test drove the one we liked (the only one there an LX model)we were ready to bring in a check for a deposit today of $500. We were going to put 6000. down and would bring the difference later in the week when we got out income tax check. They said no deal! [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] we need the full 6000 by tonight at 9pm because that is when the deal ends. I couldn't believe that after all I went through meeting with the sales guy in the afternoon, getting DH to go back last night and then the manager says, "we're breaking our backs on this deal as it is. We're giving it to you for $23,200. insteand of the listed price." This was from my local dealer. Many people told me they didn't like them but I figured they were local and I would give them the benefit of the doubt. WRONG! [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

So after all that DH and I decided that we are going to put this money aside and save more. Hopefully our goal is to put 9000. down to lower our payments and hopefully by the end of the summer we can purchase a new van. I told him the only thing is that I don't want to even consider any other models now. I defenitely want a honda.
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Old 02-28-2006, 08:49 AM   #2
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That stinks! On the bright side, the extra time will allow you to save up some extra money. I hope you get your new car soon!
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I hate the sleazy tactics some car salesmen use. Good for you for walking away!
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Old 02-28-2006, 09:07 AM   #4
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Hey, they may change their minds and call you up today to finish the deal. We had a dealership that wouldn't do what we wanted and we walked out...three days later they called to say, we'll take your deal. By then it was too late....we'd bought a different car. [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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I hate buying a car!!!
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Don't even bother talking to them anymore. Bottom line is that if they had a problem selling it to you at the agreed-upon price, they shouldn't have agreed to it in the first place. I bet you can get a better deal somewhere else if you look. There was no reason for them to need all the down payment last night, the money isn't needed until all the paperwork is signed.
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That really stinks, but at least you will be able to save up more money. I really love our Odessey.
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I"m sorry about that. That Stinks!

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Sorry ... but good luck on finding another one.
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Re: I was this close, but no deal

I'm with Rob, I'd definitely go to another dealer next time. Why give them any profit, when they treated you that way. And if they do call back and to re-offer the deal, tell them you decided that you need $x amount taken off because they waited so long.
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Re: I was this close, but no deal

I totally agree! If they treated you like that, then they must not have really needed to sell the car that badly. Their loss, not yours. You will do better elsewhere. Do what my Dad did: Research the options you want on the Odessy and write a letter listing the car and the options you are looking for. Mail it to any Honda dealer in the radius in which you are willing to travel to purchase and service a car. Ask them how much they would sell it to you for. Go with the best deal! [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If car dealers are hungry enough, they'll sell it to you. Actually, late summer is a great time to buy a car, because the new models come out in September and dealers are eager to clear their lots. [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/luck.gif[/img] and let us know what happens!
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Old 02-28-2006, 10:11 AM   #13
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I would too say keep looking and saving. We have a 2005 Odyssey and you can't beat it. I love everything about it. I live in Tennessee and right now there is an abundance of them. You might shop around online. I know when we were shopping we found great differnces in different dealerships. Good Luck! Karla
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The letter thing reminded me.... My husband lets his finger do all the walking to start out with. He calls around to all the (semi)local dealerships and tells them what he wants in the car we're looking for and then starts dealing with them off each other. "This dealership will give me this car at blank$$, can you beat their price?" And so on.... We don't step foot into a dealership until he's got it all figured out. It cuts out that longing for that particular car too....no emotional attachment to the one you test drove at such and such dealership.
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Shop online - is my suggestion, too. My dfil owns a car dealership here in Alabama. They have some great deals online. I have always hated buying cars! Even with dfil owning the dealership it is still so much mental work. We are lucky though, we only have to pay $300 over what he pays for the car. The $300 is for the salesperson who does all the paper work for us and other overhead costs.
Good luck in your search!!!

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