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Old 07-06-2011, 02:56 PM   #1
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I received a phone call yesterday from some friends who are WDW right now. (All Star Sports Resort)
They are there for 3 days. It is mom, dad, 23 year old daughter and 18 year old son.
This trip is because their kids graduated - one from college, the other from high school. They are doing a 4 day cruise (not Disney) as well.
They bought 2 day park tickets - not park hoppers.
Anyway....the mom called me to ask me what they could do on a non-park day.
So I gave her lots of ideas and she was thrilled with my suggestions. The one thing she thought they would really enjoy was going to the Boardwalk area and go to ESPN for the guys.
Well, I just have to tell you guys what they ended up doing.
The mom and daughter went to the pool yesterday and the son stayed in the room.
The dad found a map of the area and went to Walmart to buy food for their lunches as he didn't want to pay the $$ at the food court!
They didn't go to ESPN last night either. I am assuming it was because he didn't want to pay the price for the meal there either.
When I talked to my friend, I told her that I don't think they were saving much money by driving off property, buying food and driving back. She agreed, but she couldn't get that point across to the dh! I asked her what they did last night and she said that her daughter and dh went to DTD and walked around. She sat by the pool and watched the movie they were playing on the big screen. The son stayed in the room.
I felt so bad for her! She loves WDW and has never really done it right.
She has never been to Animal Kingdom! The two parks they are going to is the MK and Disney Studios.
This just made me realize how fortunate I am that my dh lets me go to WDW and enjoy my time there!
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It's kind of frustrating isn't it? I offer to everyone I know who is going to answer any questions and give advice because I know how much planning can affect a WDW vacation and to hear of someone who did not have a great time when you know you could have helped them do better...
Yes, I agree you are lucky. I am too because the whole family is equally in love with WDW.
Maybe you can go with your friend someday for a girls only trip and show her the "full mickey" wouldn't that be fun?
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Old 07-06-2011, 03:25 PM   #3
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Well, sometimes just relaxing around the pool is a good day "off" from the parks.... so, atleast they got some rest....

But, I know what your saying in general..... I talked to my bff a lot about a trip they did a few years ago and then afterwards she was telling me all about it and one of the things she said was they bypassed fantasyland because they didn't want to waste their time on baby rides! Ummm..... Philharmagic is one of the best attractions in the MK! Oh well....
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Old 07-06-2011, 03:30 PM   #4
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How on earth can they even think they've had a WDW vacation???
Yes, the vacationed at Disney - but it's not the same.
I agree, it frustrates me when I offer people my advise (I only say "I'm available if you have any questions or want to know something - just give me a whistle.") - and then they don't ask me any questions, and come home completely upset that it wasn't a good trip.
We had friends years ago who went - stayed at the FW cabins (4 kids, then about 16,14,10, and 7). Gave them guide books, offered to help them figure out how to do it cheaply but well, and they never once asked a question.
The mom spent the whole week they were there at MK every day with the "little kids" and dad spent every day with the "big kids" at DHS. No EPCOT, no AK, no DTD. They NEVER ate at a restaurant because they didn't get ADRs and they eat at very specific times (dad is old military and 20+ years later, they still keep his old schedule). Mom cooked EVERY meal for 6 people in that cabin!
Of course, they all hated it and swore to never go again. Oh well, more ADRs for those of us in the know!
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How on earth can they even think they've had a WDW vacation???Yes, the vacationed at Disney - but it's not the same.
This was my thought too! I can't imagine just sitting in the hotel room! There are so many things to do and see that you can do for free or really cheap at Disney on a non-park day! Heck even when I was sick that all I wanted to do was sleep, I still managed to go to Epcot for EMH!

They haven't even begun to experience a real Disney vacation, and will probably come home feeling cheated and not want to go ever again!
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So sorry. Not much of a celebration when you spend it sitting in the room. Maybe you'll have to have a girl's trip with your friend and her daughter and REALLY show her WDW!
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I can see that 18 year old boy holed up in the room, probably sleeping, watching TV or playing video games. At that age my kids hated Disney.
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I feel for her. We just got back from Orlando and we took my 18 year old nephew with us who had just graduated from High school. We were there for 2 weeks and all he talked about was how bored he was. We had one more day left on our Disney park hoppers that I was saving for after my DS10 got back from baseball camp ( he would have killed me if I went without him). Anyhow my nephew didnt want to go. So of course my DS13 (who wants to be like him) didnt want to go. So I left the 2 of them at the resort and DS10. DD3, and me went to MK that day. At the beginning of the trip all I worried about was about my nephew but by the end I said I wouldnt invite him again. So sad....
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Definitely not what I'd do - what a shame they didn't get to experience more than Disney has to offer.
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Ann, you need to plan a girls trip and show her WDW the way it should be enjoyed! I always feel for those who have experiences like this. I have a coworker who spend a grand total of 2 days at the WDW area and "seen it all". UHUH...sure you saw it all...
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This sounds like my vacations as a child. My dad would drive 15 miles out of his way to save a dollar.

I vaguely recall realizing at a certain point that my (soon-to-be) husband would NOT be like this! He's good at saving, but also good at realizing that it's important (to them) to buy your kids the giant $5 lollipop on occassion too.
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So sad for your friend! I'm with the others in that you need to plan a girls trip for your friend to really get the WDW magic. I hope her DH realizes all the food is paid for on the cruise already.
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