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Okay, well, I feel a little better about this now that I know pages will print to fit my Deluxe binder. Thanks for that clarification, Ginger.

Could something be done to dull the glaring white pages? I find them really hard to tolerate visually just glancing at the sample. A light shade such as surrounds the post composing window would be much easier on the eyes, IMO.
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Okay, well, I feel a little better about this now that I know pages will print to fit my Deluxe binder. Thanks for that clarification, Ginger.

Could something be done to dull the glaring white pages? I find them really hard to tolerate visually just glancing at the sample. A light shade such as surrounds the post composing window would be much easier on the eyes, IMO.
Glad I could help!

Are you talking about the pages of the Guide on screen? I'm guessing they have to be white to translate to paper better--you wouldn't want to use all the ink necessary to give the pages a yellow background, for instance, when you printed them.

Is turning down the brightness of your monitor an option that would help you? I've honestly never had a problem with the white pages myself (although I am very suggestible, and I probly will now, so thank-you-very-much-Dot! ).
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Is there a way you can make an option within the guides for printing a version that is formatted to fit into the deluxe binder, with minimal cutting and paper waste, for those of us who finally bought the deluxe binder for our last trip (after many spiral bound)and were looking forward to using it for our future disney vacations?😉 Maybe 2 book pages per printed page (I checked, it works) so that each piece of paper needs only to be cut in half and mark where holes need to be punched. I know we can figure it out ourselves but it would make a big difference to those people who are less tech savvy or busy mom's who just don't have the time to figure this all out. And please, please bring back the pockets!!
I think you may be able to tell your printer to print two book-pages per sheet of paper, once it's in PDF form and you're ready to print. I'm going to go check that right now and will let you know.

I'm pretty sure the pages would have to shrink some to fit--since the width is 5.5" and printer paper is 11", there still has to be some size of margin around the outside, since printers generally don't print edge-to-edge.
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I think you may be able to tell your printer to print two book-pages per sheet of paper, once it's in PDF form and you're ready to print. I'm going to go check that right now and will let you know.

I'm pretty sure the pages would have to shrink some to fit--since the width is 5.5" and printer paper is 11", there still has to be some size of margin around the outside, since printers generally don't print edge-to-edge.
That was a great question & idea, by the way, ecmommy!

Okay, I checked and, at least in my version of Adobe PDF and with my printer, you can print two book-pages onto one sheet of paper. You'll want to be aware, though, that some of the book pages may flow onto two pages when printed. This is because digital pages don't have to be as short as printed pages, so we were able to add as much detail as we needed on every page.

You won't have guides for where to punch the holes, by the way.

Here's a screen shot of how I set up the print to do two pages per sheet of paper. You can see how the printed page will look, too. (I accidentally picked "Vertical Reversed" instead of "Vertical," so it shows the second page first in this shot). I had to select "More Options," then "Multiple" under "Page Sizing." Each printer driver will have a somewhat different dialog box for printing, by the way, but this is what mine does:

I hope this helps!
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Here's a screen shot of how I set up the print to do two pages per sheet of paper. You can see how the printed page will look, too. (I accidentally picked "Vertical Reversed" instead of "Vertical," so it shows the second page first in this shot). I had to select "More Options," then "Multiple" under "Page Sizing." Each printer driver will have a somewhat different dialog box for printing, by the way, but this is what mine does:

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Will this work for double-sided? I noticed you didn't have that marked.... Could you try and let us know?
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Ginger - Perhaps if we could even have a sample page and instructions for how to print/cut/placement of holes for untechy people such as myself somewhere in the online material. If we have 1 page with the cuts/holes marked we can use it as a template for the others.

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Will this work for double-sided? I noticed you didn't have that marked.... Could you try and let us know?
I tried for you. And it printed on both sides, but not in a way that would work for your binder. I printed pages 1-4...the front has pages 1 & 2, the back has 3 & 4. So if you tried to cut them out and put them in a binder, you would end up with page 1, then page 4 (which is on the back of page 1), then page 2 & page 3.

If you were printing one page per sheet, they'd be in the same order when you printed double-sided.

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Ginger - Perhaps if we could even have a sample page and instructions for how to print/cut/placement of holes for untechy people such as myself somewhere in the online material. If we have 1 page with the cuts/holes marked we can use it as a template for the others.

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That's a good idea! Maybe Jennifer will do a template page somewhere near the PDF instructions. Instructions for printing might vary too much among printers to be able to write generic instructions, but I don't know any reason why we couldn't put a screen shot like the one I put here, along with the associated instructions.

For the hole placement: I might be missing something, but if you already have a binder, can't you use a page from it for your template for that?
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the more I play with my Cruise live guide the more I like it. I have been able to make book marks, notes and jump all over the book with single clicks. And I can print just the section I want if I want a paper copy. YES I still prefer a hard print book but I'm finding it isn't that hard to deal with. And since changes are highlighted in green it is very easy to find new information.

As far as family members being able to mark what they are interested in, that can still be done too. I just found that option today!!!

Jennifer has done a great job with the cruise guide so I can only imagine how wonderful WDW live guide will be.

like I said previously I just wish I could make it kindle friendly not just a PDF on a kindle. but I really do like it
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Thank you so much GingerJ for all of your help. I will have to see how it all comes together when I'm ready to start printing. I like the idea of a template with places marked where to punch holes for the deluxe binder, Cattailmarsh. I file my books away after my trip as mementos of our trip. It would be so much easier to have a template I could print out, maybe listed with the worksheets you have available. Although, I think most of the worksheets themselves show the correct formatting and punch placements.
Trying to look at the new and exciting aspects of this new system, I love the idea of being able to make it so personalized and being able to carry it on my phone sounds great (if it's big enough for my failing eyes to read ) I can still print out worksheets I need and the price is good. But please, please ,please, keep offering the pockets. I can't think of a way to replace them as they are soo unique and well organized. I've even bought sets to use for other vacations to non-disney places because they are so useful.

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I tried for you. And it printed on both sides, but not in a way that would work for your binder. I printed pages 1-4...the front has pages 1 & 2, the back has 3 & 4. So if you tried to cut them out and put them in a binder, you would end up with page 1, then page 4 (which is on the back of page 1), then page 2 & page 3.

If you were printing one page per sheet, they'd be in the same order when you printed double-sided.

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Once I get the 2017, I'm going to try printing only the odds, two up per sheet then turn the paper over and print the evens. Might work? If anyone tries it, let me know the results?
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Interesting because there was a sample of the live guide just as there was for the print book. As far as using data in the parks, it wouldn't use any data if you download it to ibooks

My complaint with the live guide, and maybe someone here can help me with this, I don't like the PDF format that loaded to my kindle. It there a way to make it read like a book on the kindle platform?


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I didn't see any kind of a sample, but I was thinking more of "test phase" - either a limited use/time - say 2 weeks to see if it works for you or not. For me, paying money for something I don't know works for me or not is just a waste of money.

And my phone doesn't have unlimited storage, so downloading the entire book probably isn't feasible for me - not unless I delete all my apps and pictures first. And I certainly don't want to be staring at my phone all day. I'd have a migraine before I even got started.
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It would have been nice to know that no more print editions were going to be done - I could have ordered the Deluxe edition and then just created my own refills. I certainly don't want to be hauling an 8 1/2 x 11 binder around with pages I've printed. Oh well, I will try to find a new print guide that serves my needs, or at least try to create my own pocket pages for future trips.
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It would have been nice to know that no more print editions were going to be done - I could have ordered the Deluxe edition and then just created my own refills. I certainly don't want to be hauling an 8 1/2 x 11 binder around with pages I've printed. Oh well, I will try to find a new print guide that serves my needs, or at least try to create my own pocket pages for future trips.
A half size three ring binder that holds 5 1/2" W x 8 1/2" T paper makes for pages that are just slightly smaller than the Passporter's pages. As for a print guide I really like, "the easy guide to your Walt Disney World visit" and if you buy it from Amazon it's not only eligible for Prime shipping but you get the Kindle version free.
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Jennifer has worked hard to make all these things work together seamlessly. I've been working with some of them for over a year now, and it's becoming a really neat electronic way to plan a trip.
Unfortunately, I don't have a year to learn a whole new way to plan my vacation. I work 2 jobs and go to school.
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