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They could even text a discount code for the store you are in but that code must be used within the hour, making that impulse buy swing more to the "Ok, I'll buy it" side.
Or even, text you a discount code for the store you just walked past, in an effort to get you to turn around, go in, and look at the merchandise.
The "one" for "everything" ID system is very attractive - fewer things to carry around!
I like the idea of different "vehicles" to carry the RFID chip - wristbands for the kids, a lanyard for mom, and possibly a sticker to attach to his watch or cell phone for dad. All are possible. And for the "die hard" Disney fan, why not get your RFID chip permanently implanted in your hand? Afterall we implant the same technology in our pets every day!!! (OK that may be a step too far!!!!)
I like the idea of "personalised" experiences, especially customised "welcomes" etc.
I really like the idea. I hate keeping track of everyone's cards the whole time and having to dig through the Visa Rewards Card, KTTW card, credit card, etc, just to find the photopass card. It would also get rid of the problem where the KTTW cards get demagnetized sometimes.
It wouldn't really bother me wearing it all day, although it could get kind of annoying if you're going when it's hot. I could also see it being a problem with little kids like a 3 year old. Not so sure most 3 year olds would really leave it on all day everyday.
We've gone to 3 days concerts before, traveling back and forth to home and Chicago everyday, and we had to wear those bands for 3 days straight since you couldn't take them off. We had to shower in them, sleep in them, everything. Even that didn't bother us too much so if these are removable I don't see it being a problem for our family anyway.
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So I'll play devil's advocate here - how long to you think it will be before someone that is NOT the Mouse comes up with a portable reader that can be carried to scan that data? Already folks are carrying aluminium wallets to keep their credit cards from being scanned. I shudder to think that the guy standing next to me in line is sucking the data off my bracelet. Weren't there already problems with unscrupulous Cast Members that had put data readers in some of the resort computers that recorded credit card information that was then sold to theives? Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I LIKE having to hand the card that is attached to my credit to a cashier. If it's in MY possession then I feel like it's a bit more secure. If it can be read from afar I feel less secure.
And would this do away with non expiring tickets? Can I get that bracelet off and keep it and come back in a couple of years and still have it work?
I'm a bit skeptical. It might be nice if it was an OPTION and you could choose just WHAT information you would allow to be broadcast on it.
. I shudder to think that the guy standing next to me in line is sucking the data off my bracelet.
You're missing one important point about RFID -- yes, they could "read" the RFID chip, but the data itself (like our credit cards, our dining credits, our reservation info) is warehoused in Disney's computers, and those would have to be hacked as well... Having the RFID data would only tell them the code that Disney uses to recognize this individual wristband, and would tell them absolutely zero about us or our IDs/data.
The RFID info is only like knowing where the door is, but not having a key, or understanding the locking mechanism to even get inside the entryway.
So I'll play devil's advocate here - how long to you think it will be before someone that is NOT the Mouse comes up with a portable reader that can be carried to scan that data? Already folks are carrying aluminium wallets to keep their credit cards from being scanned. I shudder to think that the guy standing next to me in line is sucking the data off my bracelet. Weren't there already problems with unscrupulous Cast Members that had put data readers in some of the resort computers that recorded credit card information that was then sold to theives? Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I LIKE having to hand the card that is attached to my credit to a cashier. If it's in MY possession then I feel like it's a bit more secure. If it can be read from afar I feel less secure.
And would this do away with non expiring tickets? Can I get that bracelet off and keep it and come back in a couple of years and still have it work?
I'm a bit skeptical. It might be nice if it was an OPTION and you could choose just WHAT information you would allow to be broadcast on it.
I like to be able to put away my KTTW card. I also have the same problem already mentioned here...what to do with the ones the others in my fam wont wear. I carry all our KTTW cards for the 3 of us. If they do something like this a choice of what to use would be nice.
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You're missing one important point about RFID -- yes, they could "read" the RFID chip, but the data itself (like our credit cards, our dining credits, our reservation info) is warehoused in Disney's computers, and those would have to be hacked as well... Having the RFID data would only tell them the code that Disney uses to recognize this individual wristband, and would tell them absolutely zero about us or our IDs/data.
The RFID info is only like knowing where the door is, but not having a key, or understanding the locking mechanism to even get inside the entryway.
I completely get what your saying here, and I hadn't thought about it that way. My main concern was if it got lost and someone could pick it up and use it. I figured at least with the KTTW card, it has my name on it. But duh, Sparky, it would have all my info on it regardless.
Come to think of it, I dont think I have ever been asked at the world for ID for something. I could be using someone else's card, and would get away with it at first at least. Hmmm....this is too much on my brain with my trip next month. Now I am thinking I want to see a print out of my charges everynight! i am one of those paranoid people about that stuff.
If all your info is tied to an rfid code, me Mr. Bad Guy, just has to scan your code and then go buy my wife that wonderful $2,000 custom watch. There would have to be some sort of double check, perhaps the cash register would show your picture, or those finger scanners could be used.
Bob, you'd have to also have access to Disney's computer system (with appropriate logins etc.) Then you'd have to 'read' the RFID code, log in to Disney's system, check the account associated with the RFID and then download the credit card info.
Otherwise, Mrs. Bad Guy will have to make do with her Timex.
Just having the RFID code from the tag on the wristband wouldn't get you far at all.
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If all your info is tied to an rfid code, me Mr. Bad Guy, just has to scan your code and then go buy my wife that wonderful $2,000 custom watch. There would have to be some sort of double check, perhaps the cash register would show your picture, or those finger scanners could be used.
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Bob, you'd have to also have access to Disney's computer system (with appropriate logins etc.) Then you'd have to 'read' the RFID code, log in to Disney's system, check the account associated with the RFID and then download the credit card info.
Otherwise, Mrs. Bad Guy will have to make do with her Timex.
Just having the RFID code from the tag on the wristband wouldn't get you far at all.
I get what your saying, what I am concerned about is losing one of the three wristbands. Cards are just easier to actually put away.
Losing a bracelet would be little different than losing a KTTW. Either one can be used to charge purchases until the card is reported missing. But... since the RFID can be read by a hidden scanner, and there are likely going to be scanners all over the place... the same technology used for finding lost kids gets used for finding the person with the "lost" bracelet. Sounds like holding onto a stolen RFID for more than a few minutes could start making a thief very nervous. "Do I make one purchase, then ditch it? Dare I risk two?"
In a closed environment like Disney, this kind of theft deterrence is much stronger than in the wider world. At Disney, a person could report a missing bracelet at any cash register. With it that easy for a bracelet to go from "free stuff" to "busted..." No, not exactly easy pickin's. Meantime, Security is tracking the person with the bracelet on video monitors as he/she moves from one camera's coverage zone to the next. You think he/she will make it to the turnstiles?
It's all so Big Brother. Just doesn't seem so bad when you're not the one in the hot seat.
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Losing a bracelet would be little different than losing a KTTW. Either one can be used to charge purchases until the card is reported missing. But... since the RFID can be read by a hidden scanner, and there are likely going to be scanners all over the place... the same technology used for finding lost kids gets used for finding the person with the "lost" bracelet. Sounds like holding onto a stolen RFID for more than a few minutes could start making a thief very nervous. "Do I make one purchase, then ditch it? Dare I risk two?"
In a closed environment like Disney, this kind of theft deterrence is much stronger than in the wider world. At Disney, a person could report a missing bracelet at any cash register. With it that easy for a bracelet to go from "free stuff" to "busted..." No, not exactly easy pickin's. Meantime, Security is tracking the person with the bracelet on video monitors as he/she moves from one camera's coverage zone to the next. You think he/she will make it to the turnstiles?
It's all so Big Brother. Just doesn't seem so bad when you're not the one in the hot seat.
Hmmm...you have made some interesting arguements Dave. It makes me feel better about the bracelets. I just hope we get a choice of what we want.
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I like to be able to put away my KTTW card. I also have the same problem already mentioned here...what to do with the ones the others in my fam wont wear. I carry all our KTTW cards for the 3 of us. If they do something like this a choice of what to use would be nice.
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