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There was a discussion on this a while back (started with someone posting about seeing folks pouring a "clear liquid" into Coke bottles at MK), and it does seem to be on the rise. The whole "drinking around the world" in Epcot seems like it should be stopped. CM's can see folks coming in with tshirts proclaiming their intention - those are the folks that perhaps need to be reminded about responsible levels of drinking.
And as others have said, just one drink can hit you much differently in the heat than it might at home.
When we were there in January, I saw a lot more drinking as soon as the World Showcase opened. I had not noticed as much in previous trips. I did not see anyone out of control, but I was most often in Epcot in the morning.
My family will never attend the F&WF again. I can tell you we counted many people passed-out on benches and people just out of control. We were afraid for the children and babies in the strollers., if someone lost their balance and might fall on that baby, that could have be something very serious. That to us takes away from the "Family Vacation".
I was in a small group of military that did "Around the World in 80 beers" at Epcot back in 2004. However, I fear we were in the minority. It definitely was not 80 beers and we had folks in the group that were not drinking. We didn't get completely sloshed nor did we act up...except for singing "God Bless America" in the American pavilion...by request from someone who had heard us earlier in the day give our performance there...but we were still good!
I think it boils down to acting responsibly. Each of us knew when to quit. I had wine in Germany, France and Italy...after that I was done...and they were only the wine samples. We had a guy that walked all the way with us till he could get a pint in England. We have some great pics of the group in each country.
I would be so upset to see people inebriated and nasty anywhere in the world. I had no idea the F&WF had become a downtown bar. I would have to agree with Ken...report, report, report!
I was amazed at the amount of people walking around in May that had Tshirts on and had all the countries on the back and as they had their drink in that country CMs would sign off on it. Noone was ever to the point it distubed me or my family but it has gotten progressively more popular and with it being a "family" park I am not too sure it will always be a good idea. IMO. I do not drink anymore, mostly because of my meds but also because those days of hangovers are behind me, LOL. My DH does enjoy his beer but he brings his own and only a 12 pk for a week. 2 a night and it is done in our room away from other people and their children. I watch and if I ever saw anything wrong I would def report! I have however been embarassed at Pleasure Island a couple of years back at the amount of drunk people and women barely dressed and removing more while walking around. It def has gotten better but still.
Definitely- somehow its become a place for people to go and 'souse'it up---
We saw more of it last trip and the last time I was at F&WF- it was pretty bad- people loud and drunk even early in the day
In the UK, you should be refused alcohol if you are considered to be drunk.... ok it doesnt happen many places in the UK but I heard that it happens in some of our theme parks. But my point is why dont the CM's refuse to serve drunk people?
p.s. Reading this is putting me off trying the F&WF!!
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My DH has a co owrker that went during F&FW and when he returned and told us the stories some sounded interesting but the amount of "drunk buddy" stories def turned me off too. I will not be trying EPCOT during this time. EPCOT is our families favorite park to date but it will change if the drinking there gets worse, and my DS begin to think it is OK to drink and have a blast regardless of consquences while on a family vacation. It is one thing to have a few drinks but another to be loud, rude and publically intoxicated IMO. I agree they should be cut off PRONTO if it is visible they are drunk. Bars get sued over why wouldn't WDW? Security should be walking around the worlds and policing the situation, double the amount of security and remove people right away to stop problems.
Just a thought ... but .... has it gotten worse since Pleasure Island closed?
YES, YES AND YES! There was a girl walking around in a "princess" costume bragging about the party she was gonna have in WS and i am not sure what offended me more, the fact that she was visibly drunk or that she was visibly not fitting into her costume and wasn't when she entered the park. I sat and watched EVERY man stop and stare! I am at a family park and do not need to deal with this here. Or shouldn't have to anyway. Everyone from CMs to security was drooling over her. It was innapropiate IMO and she should have never been allowed in the park dress that way. When she was visibly drunk at the entrance she shouldn't have been premitted in either.
Just a thought ... but .... has it gotten worse since Pleasure Island closed?
YES! I think that probably has a lot to do with it. It was certainly a cheaper admission fee to PI than to Epcot if that's all you're there for. I hadn't really thought about that until you said it, but that is probably dead on.
I am sure the Disney CM's have been taught to handle the overserved situation. I wouldn't necessary condemn Epcot because of a few drunks. Hope that expulsion from the parks is enough to stop people who cannot handle their liquor consumption before they ruin it for other guests. Maybe a CM can weigh in here on this discussion?
I am sure the Disney CM's have been taught to handle the overserved situation. I wouldn't necessary condemn Epcot because of a few drunks. Hope that expulsion from the parks is enough to stop people who cannot handle their liquor consumption before they ruin it for other guests. Maybe a CM can weigh in here on this discussion?
I am sure they've been taught, just not sure they are doing it. We saw a group of obviously drunk 20-somethings getting more beer in England outside Rose & Crown, and having their shirts signed. The CM serving them seemed not to notice, or not to care, that they were drunk.
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