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I am not going to lie we sat for 2 hours to get a good curbside seat my rear was numb. I would not give up my seat for that because I remember as kids my mom making us sit to wait for the parades so we had good seats. I don't mind sharing my space with children but parents need to plan ahead, however I did let two girls squeeze in front of me they were little and I had no trouble seeing over them.
I would never expect someone to give up their seat for my children Everyone has the same opportunity to arrive early and choose a good viewing location.
Being a mom of 2 small children... i am always grateful when someone gives up their seat on a crowded bus for my little ones to sit.... I make sure that I and My child thanks them.
However, I would never expect anyone to give up a good viewing spot...for us... we are usually there way ahead of time... but if not... i simply put my child on my neck so they can see ( as long as we arenot blocking anyone behind us)
I HATE When people stand in front of you after u have been sitting and waiting for some time.
As another local has said, it's a tad different when you get the chance to go frequently. I always let a small child I can easily see over scoot in and sit in front of me on the curb. Why not? The little one won't block my view at all, and this may be his or her only chance to see the particular thing for all I know. But that is different than totally giving up a seat. Even then, I might, but only if it was a really needed situation and because I know I can come anytime.
Don't give up your viewing spot. You did the right thing by getting there early enough, and that is your reward for doing so. I would probably feel guilty as well, since that's just me, but I have to realize that I'm sitting there for a reason, and they could have done the same.
As for the bus, this aggravates me to no end! I have given up my seat many times for elderly people and women with babies while men and teenagers around me just sat there. Disney is such a wonderful place, but it also brings attention to the lack of manners so many people have. I guess I was just raised differently, but to me, it's just common sense.
If there was an elderly person who needed to sit regardles of the parade I would let them sit. Their health is more important than my parade viewing. Otherwise NO!
I look younger than I am (blessing & a curse sometimes) and I have RA. I get tired of people who are probably my age glaring at me to give them my seat. I never pass up the chance to do the right thing. If I am feeling well enough I get up. If I'm not well enough I have to do what's right for me and my family. Do I let my children sit when someone in need gets on the bus or apporaches a bench? No way! They are young and healthy kids who need to learn manners.
Do I make them give to pushy people at parades who only care about themselves. Heck no! A girl stood behind my DD at a fireworks show (last minute of course) and whined I can't see for 10 mins. My DD sat down so she could see better and I asked her "do you want to spend the whole show looking at her behind because tis girl who is about the same age is whining? Do you think that is fair?" She stood up and the girl started whining again. So DD turned around and politely suggested she find a different spot then.
There are plenty of seats along the street. We have two young kids and I never feel like any one owes me there seats. However I do hate it when I have been saving a seat for my children, and as the parade starts people start pilling around you and stepping on your towel or moving your stuff out of there way. If they wanted a seat on the ground right up front or a park bench then they should have gotten there early.
With all of that said. If an older couple were walking around looking for a park bench I would gladly get up. I hate when I see elder people being disrespected. I think about my grandparents and how I would want them to be treated.
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Amen, I took my step son for his 6th birthday one year by myself, and I had thrown my back out on day one and really needed an EVC but I got a heat wrap and carried on limping for my sons sake, and not once EVER did anyone offer a seat for me to hold my son in my lap....instead I stood trying to hold his hand and myself up while my back spasmed over every bump. I took that opportunity to teach my son to always offer a lady his seat because it was polite. He sat on the edge of his seat tweaking his eyebrows at me every time he saw a lady get on the bus at the anticipation of giving his seat up because he so badly wanted to be a little gentleman. lol He brought up that story so many times for years after that. It shocked me that most of the men were older and never budged. My dad and grandpa would have stood even if the lady didn't accept the seat!!! Someone in another newsgroup argued that she would be offended if some man offered a seat or held a door for her as if she wasn't capable of doing it herself and that she taught her sons NOT to do those things. What a twit! I'm sure those are some real charmers she's got now.
First off, this was one of the best things I have read in a long time. Brought tears to my eyes. I am an emotional woman and love to see moms training up there children.
When it comes to me and buses and people who won't give up seats. I stand with my children (both of them) while DH has the stroller and backpack. I will have one arm wrapped around a pole and holding on to my 8 year DD and the other arm holding my DS (who will be 2 on our next trip). If the bus knocks me from side to side. I just hope and pray the person sitting with out a child doesn't get an elbow. Is it wrong of me to not care if I get knocked into some one or jab them with my elbow? Never on purpose, although at times I want to.
Another thing that bugs me about the buses. I hate when some one standing behind you leans against you because they couldn't support them selves. Here I am supporting my self, DD, and holding my DS and now supporting the person standing behind me. Or when some one keeps knocking you with there backpacks while your standing.
I think in this situation, no it isn't rude not to give up your seat. You are the one who planned ahead and waited patiently. I think it's more rude of someone to show up last minute and imply that you SHOULD give up your seat for them. They had the exact same opportunity you did to plan ahead and get a seat. Parade times are publicly posted and announced. Now, like on a bus or something where it's like herding cattle and everyone piling in at the same time, I do think it is appropriate to give up your seat for an elderly person or a preggers woman or a parent carrying children or someone with a handicap. I have always taught my boys that and dh and I will always do that as well. But if we've scoped out our spot for a parade and someone tries to needle in later, NOPE! I WILL stand my ground. I had a guy once tell me his wife was tired and really needed the spot my boys were sitting in b/c she'd had a long day at the parks and wanted to watch illuminations comfortably. I was appalled at his gall! I told him she should have planned ahead. He told me I should teach my children respect. I told him he should use common sense and go bark up another tree b/c we weren't moving! He literally tried to scoot us over and I told my boys not to move an inch. I really thought he was going to shove me hard, but he gave up and mumbled some lovely names for me on his way off to try to find someone else to bully out of their spot! Maybe I'm a meanie! He was probably shocked that his aggresive behavior hadn't worked! On the flip side of the coin, I have also seen moms almost in tears trying to handle little ones, trying to give a baby a bottle, etc who DON'T say a word or act in any way like they are trying to get my spot and I've stood up and gave them my seat not out of guilt, but b/c I've been there, done that!
Nope, keep your seat. If they wanted to watch the parade or show they should
show up early like everyone else. My DH and I found a great spot for a parade
(about 2 hrs. early) and when it was about to start a lady and her kids asked me
if they could sit in front of us to see. I thought she was just talking about her kids
and said yes.......well a family of 6 stepped all over us and sat down in front
which included the mom and dad. I couldn't believe it. No thank you, no I meant
my whole family, nothing. After that I said never again unless it's made clear that
it's kids only.
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I was raised to give up my seat for the elderly , sickly or people with infants in arm. It may not be the popular thing to do today , but to me it's the right thing.
Please keep in mind the OP asked specifically about giving up a parade/fireworks viewing spot, not on a bus. Again, everyone has the same opportunity to get there early and find a prime spot. I would always give up my seat to a person with disabilities, elderly, or mom carrying an infant and would expect my children to do the same.
I'm in my mid sixties but thankfully am in excellent health and physical condition so I wouldn't ask or expect anyone to offer me their seat. You would be surprised, however, at the number of times I am offered a seat on a Disney bus. It happens way more often than you might expect. That being said I wouldn't hesitate to offer my seat anywhere to a person with special needs or moms carrying children. But, to someone who just wants to crowd a sitting area because they were too lazy or inconsiderate to look for a place early enough - it's surprising how far a slim old man can spread out when he has to!!! LOL!!
Ken
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