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Interesting with the elevators.... that always freaks me out when they're packed! Breakfast sure looked good, but it's a shame it didn't taste quite right.
Your photos look familiar so far at CDG! I know exactly where you were. If it was a clear day, you could look out the window and see the Eiffel tower. I had a lot of time to kill, so I noticed it.
And yeah, the signage was not the best. Upon return where the Disney shuttle dropped us off, I knew I should have walked to the right, but sign said 2A to the left. Stupidly, I followed the sign and of course it's way wrong and took me to 2F. So I walked all the way back and around to 2A. Ugh.
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Glad Jan's plane landed early and nice views from the room. CDG airport is definitely tough to navigate!
Oh it was a complete and utter nightmare! I hate London Heathrow, but trust me, I am never going to complain about it again. Compared to Charles de Gaulle, it's a breeze...
Of all the airports I’ve been to in the world, I think CDG has been the worst. I landed there at about 2 am, maybe from India (can’t recall), and had a 5 hour layover before my flight home. The part we were in didn’t even have seats, and nothing was open. Which is fair at most aiports. But there were LOADS of flights coming in at that time, and all I wanted was some water, and a bite to eat. Nothing. And I was so tired, I may have even started to cry at one point!
Well, frankly given your description, I'd have been crying too! Yikes!
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Anyway, glad you found the train, but I can imagine feeling a bit stressed wanting to make sure Jan knew you were there!
Just a bit, although it was all a bit irrelevant, as you'll see...
Your photos look familiar so far at CDG! I know exactly where you were. If it was a clear day, you could look out the window and see the Eiffel tower. I had a lot of time to kill, so I noticed it.
Oh really? Wow! Dang it, I wish I'd known, I'd have done a lot more looking...
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And yeah, the signage was not the best. Upon return where the Disney shuttle dropped us off, I knew I should have walked to the right, but sign said 2A to the left. Stupidly, I followed the sign and of course it's way wrong and took me to 2F. So I walked all the way back and around to 2A. Ugh.
Sunday 17 September – part two: how long is this taking?
We found our way over to terminal 2E, and the arrivals area, and frankly it was a mob scene!
I felt so sorry for the people trying to actually arrive, because as Mark said the area they were supposed to walk through should’ve been about 12 feet wide, but now because of everyone thronged around the arrivals area, it was more like four feet wide.
I found out where the baggage claim was for Jan’s flight, and headed that way. When I got there, I could see that the luggage hadn’t even arrived. Ok, this was about an hour after the plane landed. This wasn’t a good sign. I saw about four people waiting for cases, and I think they were on the Atlanta flight.
I went back to tell Mark, and he’d moved in the time I’d been gone, which led to a lot of frantic searching on my part. Oh my goodness, I was terrified I’d lost him, as he didn’t have his cell phone with him. What if I couldn’t find him? After what felt like five minutes, but was probably more like a minute, I spotted him. Phew!
I told him the situation, and said I’d head back to baggage claim, and keep an eye out. The luggage did start to arrive, and I saw maybe 20 people coming through, but it was painfully slow, and the suitcases were all doing their lonely dance on the carousel, waiting for someone to claim them.
I went back to tell Mark that I figured we could both go to baggage claim, as there was no way I could see Jan being through for some time. Thankfully, at that point, my phone buzzed, and it was Jan messaging to say where she was. Thank goodness I’d heard from her. I didn’t know if she’d have roaming, and without it, it would’ve been a complete nightmare. She confirmed she hadn’t yet cleared immigration, so we both headed to baggage claim, where it was quiet, cooler and they had seats, and we waited there.
I told her where we were, and we occasionally got updates from her. An hour and 10 minutes later she was through. I couldn’t believe how long it had taken. Her case was one of about 40 left on the carousel by this point, and it had been a full flight, so you can imagine how many people had already come through.
It turned out she was in the last seat of the plane, which didn’t help, and there were quite a few flights we spotted that I suspect would’ve been “high risk” for immigration, if you know what I mean, and of course, she’d have been in that line, being from outside the European Union. Dang it, that will be us eventually.
She told us it had been a nightmare and she would never fly into Paris again in her life. Wow. I felt so sorry for her. It was her first ever international flight, and to be greeted like that is not the way you want to start a vacation.
We made our way back to the train terminal, and I’d already forgotten what a long trek it was. We boarded the train, and headed back to the relative tranquillity of terminal 3.
When we got there, the escalators were broken, so Jan and Mark caught the lift up with the cases and I went up the escalators. Good grief, I’ve done more than enough exercise already today!
We headed out of the station and back towards the Hilton…
By the time we checked Jan in, it was 11:00am, and her flight had landed at 7:45am. Crazy, just crazy.
She headed to her room, which thankfully was ready, for a shower, and I asked her how long she needed. At first she said an hour and a half and I told her that wouldn’t work, given we had tickets for the Eiffel Tower at 3:00pm, and I did not want to be late for that, and I wanted to show her some of the city as well. We settled on 11:45am, and we headed back to the room, where I had a shower, as I was feeling dirty and sweaty, after racing around the airport earlier on…
Jan surprised us by being downstairs before we were – impressive, given that she was jetlagged! We headed down and made our way over to the station, figuring out the tickets at the machine, and getting what we needed.
We headed down to the platform and a train was waiting, so we boarded. It was deserted, and stayed that way until we got into Paris, as it was an express up until that point.
Poor Jan, not a great experience for her first international flight. I have only ever flown into Lisbon international and unfortunately I find their customs a bit lacking and we get through quickly, I think they need to ask a few more questions, if that makes sense.
I can see how Jan would feel that way after her ordeal getting through customs. Glad her room was ready. I always find a shower can help tremendously. And given the time she arrived, the worst thing would have been to have enough time to lay down for a quick nap! If you can stay going unti 7 or 8 pm, then I find your adjustment to local time is a lot easier.
2E is insane!! Not only are there friends and family greeting a bazillion people exiting their planes, but also about 30+ private drivers holding signs. I was there for about 3 hours waiting on Amy (delayed flight and then lost luggage!), so I watched the crowds ebb and flow. It seemed to calm down after 1-1:30pm though. So many international flights must arrive in those morning hours, hence the insanity! So funny to see your pictures, as I didn't take any!
Oh wow, that took Jan forever. That's a shame. My plane landed at 10:45 in 2A, and I was over at 2E by 11:30 (hoping against all odds Amy caught the earlier flight, but she didn't). Jan definitely did not have a good first impression. But at least her hotel room was ready!
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Poor Jan, not a great experience for her first international flight.
No, not at all, but I don't think it will put her off, given how much fun we had after that - at least that's what I hope.
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I have only ever flown into Lisbon international and unfortunately I find their customs a bit lacking and we get through quickly, I think they need to ask a few more questions, if that makes sense.
Yes completely. I'd rather know people are taking their time and doing things properly. In fact, I know I make a similar comment to yours about our return to England later on in this trip report....
I can see how Jan would feel that way after her ordeal getting through customs. Glad her room was ready. I always find a shower can help tremendously. And given the time she arrived, the worst thing would have been to have enough time to lay down for a quick nap! If you can stay going unti 7 or 8 pm, then I find your adjustment to local time is a lot easier.
She did amazingly well with the adjustment to the time zone, especially as she's never dealt with jet lag before. She was an absolute trooper, as you'll see as this day goes on.
2E is insane!! Not only are there friends and family greeting a bazillion people exiting their planes, but also about 30+ private drivers holding signs. I was there for about 3 hours waiting on Amy (delayed flight and then lost luggage!), so I watched the crowds ebb and flow. It seemed to calm down after 1-1:30pm though. So many international flights must arrive in those morning hours, hence the insanity! So funny to see your pictures, as I didn't take any!
Yes, that's what I figured that there were a lot of international flights all coming in at the same time. When we walked back through that crowded area, the crowds had all gone. Typical!
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Oh wow, that took Jan forever. That's a shame. My plane landed at 10:45 in 2A, and I was over at 2E by 11:30 (hoping against all odds Amy caught the earlier flight, but she didn't). Jan definitely did not have a good first impression. But at least her hotel room was ready!
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I hate London Heathrow, but trust me, I am never going to complain about it again. Compared to Charles de Gaulle, it's a breeze... 
Yikes! 
It's always so disappointing to bite into food that looks good, but ends there. 
she was through. I couldn’t believe how long it had taken. Her case was one of about 40 left on the carousel by this point, and it had been a full flight, so you can imagine how many people had already come through. 
We headed down and made our way over to the station, figuring out the tickets at the machine, and getting what we needed. 
2E is insane!! Not only are there friends and family greeting a bazillion people exiting their planes, but also about 30+ private drivers holding signs. I was there for about 3 hours waiting on Amy (delayed flight and then lost luggage!), so I watched the crowds ebb and flow. It seemed to calm down after 1-1:30pm though. So many international flights must arrive in those morning hours, hence the insanity! So funny to see your pictures, as I didn't take any!
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