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As a divorce attorney I have seen men leave when an additional child is born that may not have otherwise left, if they do not feel their opinion was resepected about whether or not to have another child. I also think for some men, it may just be the straw that breaks the camel's back, especially if they are the main bread winner and have the burden of supporting another child.
I also represent lots of children. Children shold not be born to fulfill someone else's needs. They often do not do it and it can a burden for the child.
The OP should have lots to think about. I think the most important factor is the impact it will have on her other children-not financially, but emotionally. Children's needs for material things are much less than their needs for the attention of the adults in their lives,
Does this family have the time and emotional energy for a fourth child? Will the older children's needs be met if there is an infant in the household. I do not think the standard is that the children are not neglected but that they have parents available to nurture and raise them to the best of each child's potential.
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As a divorce attorney I have seen men leave when an additional child is born that may not have otherwise left, if they do not feel their opinion was resepected about whether or not to have another child. I also think for some men, it may just be the straw that breaks the camel's back, especially if they are the main bread winner and have the burden of supporting another child.
I also represent lots of children. Children shold not be born to fulfill someone else's needs. They often do not do it and it can a burden for the child.
The OP should have lots to think about. I think the most important factor is the impact it will have on her other children-not financially, but emotionally. Children's needs for material things are much less than their needs for the attention of the adults in their lives,
Does this family have the time and emotional energy for a fourth child? Will the older children's needs be met if there is an infant in the household. I do not think the standard is that the children are not neglected but that they have parents available to nurture and raise them to the best of each child's potential.
I can imagine that you have seen a lot! Well said, I have seen the same. "Once awesome does not mean always awesome" I think you grasped what DisneyDana and I were trying to convey. Well said (or written)
this thread is getting off topic. Only OP and her DH can decide if he wants another child. And I'm sure, Huntermom you see a lot of tragic stories. But a man who leaves because another child is born would have done the same thing once responsibility got to be too much. Whether that is job loss, an illness, a death etc. All of us are one step from divorce court. I've seen marriages end when a child was hurt or killed. Marriages that I thought were strong. If we always take into consideration "what ifs" no one would ever have a family.
Don't want to beat a dead horse. I agree. Men and women sometimes will leave whenever the responsibility gets to be too much. Sometimes that's another child (I've even seen it with a second child). It really is up to the OP and her husband equally. And while people on this board can give opinions and maybe provoke the OP to see things from different perspectives, only she and her husband can make that decision.
I also don't think some couples are doomed for divorce under any circumstances. Sometimes things happen that are just too much for their relationship (your example is perfect and pretty common). Neither is a bad person and the marriage may have been pretty good. My only point is that both parents need to want the child, not one giving in to the other.
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You mentioned having an odd number doesn't always work. I TOTALLY agree. That's why I only have two! If I'd had 3, then I would have had to have 4 for the exact same reason! And since, for us, 4 really WASN'T an option, 2 was a good number! Not to mention I had many, many problems getting and carrying my second ds, but that's a whole other discussion! Also, it sounds to me like you have pretty much decided you and your dh DO want another child. So, are you perhaps looking for others to agree with your decision? Since you have other large families in your extended family, do you know why anyone would be against one more? Is it an economic issue or perhaps they feel your children you currently have are stretching you as emotionally far as you can be stretched? Or is it just their personal opinion?
Now, as for going back to school as well as having four kiddos, here's my thoughts: WOW! I can honestly say I don't think I could do it. That doesn't mean YOU couldn't do it. But just look at it very clearly and know what you are getting in to. A new baby means SLEEP DEPRIVATION! My feeble brain doesn't always work so well on 8 hours of sleep! I don't know if I could function as a full time, stay at home mom with an infant and 3 older active kiddos, plus a husband, plus minimal sleep AND go back to school, even doing online courses. But that's just me. We always have high hopes, but reality can sometimes be a very differnt thing.
As someone else mentioned, kids get more expensive as they grow up, too! That is all too true!! My oldest is musical and trust me, paying for a new violin every year or two (b/c it is necessary as they get better and better), paying for symphony, paying for lessons, paying for school stuff (schools pay basically nothing these days and the continual fundraisers are killers!), paying for cars, insurance, medical bills (we just dropped $5200 for braces!), etc just goes up and up as they get older. And it isn't just if they are musical. Sports stuff can be even more expensive! That's just something to keep in mind. But in the end, it comes down to what you feel in your heart. If you feel you can make it work and it is something you and dh both want, then go for it! You sound like a great mother and I'm sure you would always manage to make it work. Good luck with whatever decision you make!
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Hey again everyone.... I only have a few quick mins here but I did just want to address one concern - about DH's feelings about the situation. He is totally onboard! I know I stated that he doesn't always seem to have a lot of patience - but I guess I mean he doesn't have a lot of patience compared to me. I have always had a lot of patience with my children (well all children in general) and so at times I just wish he was a little more tolerable than me. But this could also just be the difference between "mom" and "dad." I remember when I was growing up as a child my mother always seemed to be more patient and sympathetic than my father. Maybe its just a man/woman thing?
To all of you- thanks for ALL of your comments - I hope to respond to more later this evening when I have more time! For now, gotta run!
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Mother of one checking in. I say do whatever, I read a lot of mommy blogs with 4 children and it's great, there's a lot of talk of the personality of "the fourth child"---they are all homeschoolers, I admire their dedication to their family. Jimmy and I were watching The Secret of NIMH yesterday and Mrs. Brisby had four, it looked very "homey" to me.
No one ever asked me if I was going to have any kids when I didn't have any. Now that I have one (dh wants to keep it this way) everyone is always asking/telling me if/when I'm having more, as though having just one doesn't make a family, and I find it kind of insulting! As for being a family of 5, I am the third of 3 kids and I've never been uncomfortable with the uneven number---but we never went on vacation either. GL with your decisions/future.
My advice is just to follow your heart and not your head. I'm a great believer in 'if its meant to happen it will'. My oldest DD is 7 and I wanted 2 kids for sure but didn't want to rule out 3. I also wanted them close together. When DD was 2 we found out I was pregnant again and were ecstatic. Unfortunately DD#2 was stillborn when i was 7 months pregnant. DH and I then went through a whole rollercoaster of wanting another baby then being against it. I wanted one when he didn't and he did when i didn't. We couldn't decide when to start planning and there were so many reasons both for and against it. In the end we put it in the hands of fate and decided to not prevent anything from happening. We ended up with DD3. Being pregnant was a scary time but she really is a (naughty) blessing.
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As you posted that it is something that both your DH and yourself are all for, you should just go ahead and let it happen.
I believe the first child is the biggest challenge of all. Once you can manage one, I think you adapt to fit in and nurture any number. (Our lord never gives anymore than we can handle). My DH never wanted more than two (I never wanted any-lol) and I really struggled to convince him I 'needed' to try for a third. He gave in and we have an adorable and lively 4 yr old with a 6.5yr gap. I will probably die wondering if I should have stopped at two. I love them all equally and they are well provided for but the costs spent on raising our youngest maybe should have been set aside to gift to the elder children when they left home or got married. I'll ponder this forever...
As long as you and DH agree then who cares about anyone else? (It's not them getting up at 3am...) Best wishes.
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