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As of January 1, 2019, we have closed our forums. This is a decision we did not come to lightly, but it is necessary. The software our forums run on is just too out-of-date and it poses a significant security risk. The server software itself must be updated, and it cannot be without removing the forums.
So it is with a heavy heart that we say goodbye to our long-running forums. They came online in 2000 and brought together so many wonderful Disney fans. We had friendships form, careers launch, couples marry, children born ... all because of this amazing community.
Thank you to each of you who were a part of this community. You made it possible.
And a very special thank you to our Guides (moderators), past and present, who kept our forums a happy place to be. You are the glue that held everything together, and we are forever grateful to you. Thank you aliceinwdw, Caldercup, MrsM, WillCAD, Fortissimo, GingerJ, HiddenMickey, CRCrazy, Eeyoresmom, disneyknut, disneydani, Cam22, chezp, WDWfan, Luvsun, KMB733, rescuesk, OhToodles!, Colexis Mom, lfredsbo, HiddenMickey, DrDolphin, DopeyGirl, duck addict, Disneybine, PixieMichele, Sandra Bostwick, Eeyore Tattoo, DyanKJ130, Suzy Q'Disney, LilMarcieMouse, AllisonG, Belle*, Chrissi, Brant, DawnDenise, Crystalloubear, Disneymom9092, FanOfMickey, Goofy4Goofy, GoofyMom, Home4us123, iamgrumpy, ilovedisney247, Jennifer2003, Jenny Pooh, KrisLuvsDisney, Ladyt, Laughaholic88, LauraBelle Hime, Lilianna, LizardCop, Loobyoxlip, lukeandbrooksmom, marisag, michnash, MickeyMAC, OffKilter_Lynn, PamelaK, Poor_Eeyore, ripkensnana, RobDVC, SHEANA1226, Shell of the South, snoozin, Statelady01, Tara O'Hara, tigger22, Tink and Co., Tinkerbelz, WDWJAMBA, wdwlovers, Wendyismyname, whoSEZ, WildforWD, and WvuGrrrl. You made the magic.
We want to personally thank Sara Varney, who coordinated our community for many years (among so many other things she did for us), and Cheryl Pendry, our Message Board Manager who helped train our Guides, and Ginger Jabour, who helped us with the PassPorter-specific forums and Live! Guides. Thank you for your time, energy, and enthusiasm. You made it all happen.
There are other changes as well.
Why? Well, the world has changed. And change with it, we must. The lyrics to "We Go On" for IllumiNations say it best:
We go on to the joy and through the tears
We go on to discover new frontiers
Moving on with the current of the years.
We go on
Moving forward now as one
Moving on with a spirit born to run
Ever on with each rising sun.
To a new day, we go on.
It's time to move on and move forward.
PassPorter is a small business, and for many years it supported our family. But the world changed, print books took a backseat to the Internet, and for a long time now it has been unable to make ends meet. We've had to find new ways to support our family, which means new careers and less and less time available to devote to our first baby, PassPorter.
But eventually, we must move on and move forward. It is the right thing to do.
So we are retiring this newsletter, as we simply cannot keep up with it. Many thanks to Mouse Fan Travel who supported it all these years, to All Ears and MousePlanet who helped us with news, to our many article contributors, and -- most importantly -- to Sara Varney who edited our newsletter so wonderfully for years and years.
And we are no longer charging for the Live Guides. If you have a subscription, it's yours to keep for the lifetime of the Live Guides at no additional cost. The Live Guides will stay online, barring server issues and technical problems, for all of 2019.
That said, PassPorter is not going away. Most of the resources will remain online for as long as we can support them, and after that we will find ways to make whatever we can available. PassPorter means a great deal to us, and to many of you, and we will do our best to keep it alive in whatever way we can. Our server costs are high, and they'll need to come out of our pockets, so in the future you can expect some changes so we can bring those costs down.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for your amazing support over the years. Without you, there's no way us little guys could have made something like this happen and given the "big guys" a run for their money. PassPorter was consistently the #3 guidebook after the Unofficial and Official guides, which was really unheard of for such a small company to do. We ROCKED it thanks to you and your support and love!
If you miss us, you can still find some of us online. Sara started a new blog at DisneyParkPrincess.com -- I strongly urge you to visit and get on her mailing list. She IS the Disney park princess and knows Disney backward and forward. And I am blogging as well at JenniferMaker.com, which is a little craft blog I started a couple of years ago to make ends meet. You can see and hear me in my craft show at https://www.youtube.com/c/jennifermaker . Many PassPorter readers and fans are on Facebook, in groups they formed like the PassPorter Trip Reports and PassPorter Crafting Challenge (if you join, just let them know you read about it in the newsletter). And some of our most devoted community members started a forum of their own at Pixie Dust Lane and all are invited over.
So we encourage you to stay in touch with us and your fellow community members wherever works best for you!
Best wishes for a wonderful and magical new year!
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06-23-2003, 12:56 AM
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Community Rank: Wayfarer
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 156
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
Dw and DD were sitting on the balcony at BCV one morning and heard some splashing. They looked down at the canal and there was Mr. Gator with a freshly caught snake in his mouth. DD went down and took some up close pictures from the safety of the bridge.
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06-23-2003, 09:37 AM
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#17
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Wisconsin
Concierge Level: 6
Posts: 2,743
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
I saw the one hanging out around the wooden walkway between Frontierland and Liberty Square. He was just kind of floating there. Although a lot of people were standing there looking at him. I would think it wouldn't be a problem unless people start trying to feed it. [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img]
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06-23-2003, 11:36 PM
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#18
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Community Rank: Traveler
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Posts: 393
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
While I've never seen a gator in WDW (too busy looking at all the Disney stuff, I guess [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] ), I can answer what the difference is between gators and crocs...
1) They're from different families.
2) You can't see an alligator's teeth when its mouth is closed; its lower teeth fit snugly into pits in the upper jaw. In contrast, a crocodile's lower teeth are always visible.
3) Alligators have a broad snout, while crocodiles have a thinner snout.
4) Alligators tend to be grayish black in color, whereas crocodiles have a light tan appearance.
5) Alligators can only be found in the southeastern United States and in some parts of China. Crocodiles can be found all over the world.
There's a really good site about the biological differences between the two at the Crocodilian Biology Database (yes, I'm an animal freak [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] ). Also keep in mind, both crocs and gators can move quite quickly (short burst running speed of 35 mph), so while a gator might not be prone to attacking (they're usually, but not always, more docile than crocs), if you annoy one into chasing you, it can easily catch you. I'll never forget the time we were vacationing at Sanibel Island, FL (after a few days at WDW) and saw two 20-something girls with cameras in the middle of the road, pitching pebbles [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] at a dozing gator in a nearby drainage ditch. When we told them how fast the gator could run, the girls turned stark white and raced for their car. It never ceases to amaze me how dumb/crazy/unthinking some people can be.
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06-24-2003, 10:41 AM
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Community Rank: Traveler
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Illinois
Posts: 272
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
Yup. We saw a man in Custer State Park, SD, try to get between a buffalo calf and its mother!! How stupid can a person be???? Well a bull took more offense to this man than the mother did and came to take a stance between the man and the mother and calf. The man was put out about that until someone shouted at him from another car that the bull was giving him fair warning to back off. He finally did. I made the comment to my husband that anyone crazy enough to try to come between mother and baby in the wild probably deserved whatever nature chose to dish out!!
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06-24-2003, 03:23 PM
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#20
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Community Rank: Adventurer
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Oak Park, IL
Posts: 535
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
My Mom and Dad went golfing at Disney once, and my Dad accidentally shot into the rough. Now, they had been warned by the CMs that if a ball goes into the rough, just leave it there. However, it was only across a little bitty stream, and my Dad figured he'd hop across and get the ball. Until he saw the alligator laying in the stream, just to the side of the ball! He figured he'd take the stroke and loose the ball after that! [img]graemlins/ukid.gif[/img]
Also--if an alligator really is bugging you, you can put it to sleep by flipping it on its back, and rubbing its tummy. Of course, I doubt anyone wants to get that close to the alligator, but it can be done!
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Tom Sawyer's Island is home to a lot of critters--one of my friends worked at Aunt Polly's and saw his fair share of garden snakes, insects (include the FL standard--palmetto bugs, AKA cockroaches [img]images/icons/shocked.gif[/img] ), and alligators. I myself saw a feral cat right by Thunder Mt. It was late at night, and a skinny calico kitty walked right on out like she owned the place! Very strange!
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06-24-2003, 03:30 PM
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#21
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 2,172
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
Quote:
Originally posted by Janet 45:
We saw a couple of them when we stayed at Shades of Green a couple of years ago. They were sunning themselves just a few feet off the walking path that leads to the Poly.
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<font size="2" face="Comic Sans MS, Arial">We've seen them there, too. Apparently they really like the ponds right along there and hang out there all the time. I understand that they've even stayed there during the construction that's going on at SoG right now. If you really want to see one, this might be the place to go.
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06-25-2003, 12:12 AM
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#22
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Community Rank: Adventurer
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 995
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
I'm totally jealous! We have not seen a gator at WDW yet, but DH would love to!! The closest we've come is a snake slithered across the path in front of us near the Grand Floridian Wedding Chapel. It was a little one though [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] .
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06-25-2003, 10:39 AM
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#23
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Community Rank: Passenger
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 28
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
From previous post: (I cant figure out how to quote) "Many people would feed him and the turtles."
Feeding the alligators?!?!?! Good grief!! No offense intended, but these people must not be from down here. You NEVER feed wild alligators. Once they lose their fear of people and especially when they start to see people as their food source they can become very aggressive!! We get articles in our paper quite often about aggressive alligators and while I wont go into details (can put a lot of unnecessary fear in you)
it can be very bad. Please dont participate in this practice!
KarenW (in Florida)
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06-25-2003, 11:32 AM
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#24
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Community Rank: Day-Tripper
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Ireland
Posts: 12
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
When I was training as a cast member for the grand opening of DAK, they took us all to the MK to dress as MK Cast Members and wander the park for the day. (There was alot of this as the DAK wasnt finished when we were all hired.) We were fortunate enough to watch the animal control boys come up in a boat by Toms Sawyers Island and remove a very large gator from near the raft launch area. It was probably 6 foot. We asked some of the Tom Sawyer CMs and they told us a couple of large gators had took up residence there several times that spring. Apparently when gators are on property and near enough to guest areas where they might come in contact they net them and take them way out into the woods and release them again. Problem is there are little water ducts dug all over the place out there and the gators just swim up them until they hit a lake or something. If memory serves, Disney has tried putting mesh and other things in the little water canals to make it harder for the gators, but they still get through. Having driven out behing the MK I can well imagine lots of Gators running around out in those trees. It is very beautiful though. Even with the fields and the cows.
- Jeffery
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06-25-2003, 01:16 PM
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#25
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Community Rank: Trailblazer
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Orlando, Fl
Posts: 5,517
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
Jeffery: I worked Dak grand opening too..where did you work? I was at Tamu Tamu most of the time.
As far as seeing alligators...well, this is one of my favorite memories. We (my family) were standing at Captain Jack's at the Disney Marketplace on our first ever trip to Disney many many years ago. While looking out over the water, my Mom says, "Is that what I think it is?" Sure enough, an alligator was swimming by near the dock. I'm thinking he must be getting food from the restaurant. My Mom got so scared she hightailed it out of there. I can still remember laughing hysterically.
Kelly [img]graemlins/usa.gif[/img]
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06-25-2003, 07:12 PM
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#26
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Community Rank: Day-Tripper
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Ireland
Posts: 12
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Re: Alligators in the Parks??
I worked at Conservation Station as a college student for the grand opening.
- Jeffery
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