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And BTW, what's wrong with the government not helping our vets who clearly need help?
short of tying him down and shoving the meds down his throat...there is nothing the govt can do if he is no longer in the military. It's just like civilian hospitals...to keep from trampling on someones rights, there are strict guidelines as to what can be done. He's got to want help and take his meds. Sad, but true.
Has he seperated from the military yet? If he is still active duty or reserve status she needs to report him to his unit. They can force him to get help or he can be charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for failure to obey a lawful order among other things.
Unfortunately, PTSD is ne of those grey areas of injuries brought on by war (or any traumatic experience, for that matter). Our government and military health system has no idea how to deal with this or to even put in place a process to identify individuals with the problem. Part of the problem is the stigma placed on seeking help from mental health professionals in the military. "Officially" it is encouraged; but the reality is that it damages your career and reputation. I could lose my security clearance, for example, if I wished to seek help, if I needed it. More than likely it would be temporary, but it would still be on my record, damaging promotion, etc. Another problem is the fact that these young men and women are made to feel as if they were defective or weak for seeking help.
The only way our government will ever stand up and take notice is if everyone demands it. Sadly, it is too late for our Vietnam vets, Korean War vets or WWII vets.
I am proud of my service, and I would do it all again; but I am sad to think that it may not be what I want for my kids, because our government is too busy fighting along party lines to do thier job.
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Has he seperated from the military yet? If he is still active duty or reserve status she needs to report him to his unit. They can force him to get help or he can be charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for failure to obey a lawful order among other things.
He is separated from the military, probably about 1 1/2 years ago. He has gotten progressively worse as the time has gone on. When he first came back, it was flash-backs if the car he was riding in hit a pot hole, or went under an overpass. It has progressively gotten worse. Without going into details he has done things that allowed them to do mountains of paperwork to have him committed, but the hospital couldn't hold him past the time limit. When he is there, he does have to take the medications and things are better and they have no right to hold him. What a catch-22!
If it were me I think I'd contact an attorney and see what it takes to get someone involuntarily committed. You have the VA doctors who can attest to his state of mental health (or unhealth). It sounds like if anyone needed someone to step in and take control it's this young man.
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What a horribly sad situation. I sounds like more than PTSD to me, but I'm not a psychiatrist.
I also think it is probably more that PTSD. I have dealt with various people with "personality disorders" which is a blanket statement for many diseases. He sounds like he has become truly psychotic. Has he ever had any paranoid behavior before his service. I mean to say, has he ever been one to think someone had broken into his room or house, when logical thought said no to everyone else. Has he, in the past, been prone to thinking that there are people who talk about him at work or school, who he feels sure have held him back by plotting against him? She might want to have him evaluated by a secualar psychiatric specialist. I am sure she is fortunate to have a good friend like you.
No paranoid behavior before service. They have had him committed before. The hospital could only hold him for a couple of days. I'm not totally sure of all the details but evidently you can only commit someone if they are a threat to themselves or others. Her word of the threat isn't enough. Last time, he responded to the meds, wasn't a threat anymore and they had to legally let him go. Once out, he doesn't take the meds and they are right back to where they started only it gets worse.
I'm not a lawyer and don't even play one on TV, but we do deal fairly frequently with them at work ...
A restraining order in itself will not keep him away. What it will do is start the legal documentation of his behavior. Once an RO is issued, she would need to call every time that he violates it, in order to document a pattern of behavior that can be interpreted - from a legal standpoint - as threatening or harassing. If she'd be inclined to think "oh, that wasn't quite bad enough to call the police" and doesn't call - and therefore it doesn't get documented - she might as well not get the RO.
If he knows her workplace, then her employer should be notified too. If the employer is fairly large, they should have policies / procedures for how to deal with similar situations (albeit usually involving spouses, not children). They'll need the RO to be in place to document a continuing threat / harassment rather than a short-lived domestic disturbance.
I'm not a lawyer and don't even play one on TV, but we do deal fairly frequently with them at work ...
A restraining order in itself will not keep him away. What it will do is start the legal documentation of his behavior. Once an RO is issued, she would need to call every time that he violates it, in order to document a pattern of behavior that can be interpreted - from a legal standpoint - as threatening or harassing. If she'd be inclined to think "oh, that wasn't quite bad enough to call the police" and doesn't call - and therefore it doesn't get documented - she might as well not get the RO.
If he knows her workplace, then her employer should be notified too. If the employer is fairly large, they should have policies / procedures for how to deal with similar situations (albeit usually involving spouses, not children). They'll need the RO to be in place to document a continuing threat / harassment rather than a short-lived domestic disturbance.
She will call as will her employer. They are all afraid of him. It's tough to be afraid of your own child.
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I also think it is probably more that PTSD. I have dealt with various people with "personality disorders" which is a blanket statement for many diseases. He sounds like he has become truly psychotic. Has he ever had any paranoid behavior before his service. I mean to say, has he ever been one to think someone had broken into his room or house, when logical thought said no to everyone else. Has he, in the past, been prone to thinking that there are people who talk about him at work or school, who he feels sure have held him back by plotting against him? She might want to have him evaluated by a secualar psychiatric specialist. I am sure she is fortunate to have a good friend like you. 
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