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06-14-2006, 07:11 AM
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Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
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06-14-2006, 07:18 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
Okay, Question...If the parents thought he was too small to go on the ride, then why did they allow him to go? I feel really bad about what happened to the little guy, but I really don't feel like this is Disney's fault at all.
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06-14-2006, 07:51 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
"The boy's family said Disney didn't properly warn the public of the ride's hazards, should not have allowed such a small boy onto the ride, and should have done more to help the boy after he fell unconscious."
OMG- How could you NOT see all the warning signs that Disney has in the ride line?
And as far as allowing such a small boy on the ride- Ummmm, isn't that your decision as a parent?
Should have done more after he fell unconscious- What more could they have done exactly- they assisted her, called paramedics, etc. I don't get their line of thinking?!?
I really feel badly for the loss these parents have suffered but will suing Disney really make them feel better?
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06-14-2006, 07:54 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
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OMG- How could you NOT see all the warning signs that Disney has in the ride line?
And as far as allowing such a small boy on the ride- Ummmm, isn't that your decision as a parent?
Should have done more after he fell unconscious- What more could they have done exactly- they assisted her, called paramedics, etc. I don't get their line of thinking?!?
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I agee with that completely my thoughts EXACTLY
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06-14-2006, 07:59 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
I couldn't agree more. In my mind I believe they possibly feel a lot of guilt on there part and there is a need to blame someone other than themselves. However It's my understanding that the parents did not know about their son's heart condition, so even if his specific condition was listed in the warning they probably still would have allowed him to ride. My daugther was 5yrs old the last time we went to WDW and my husband and I rode Mission Space first (which we always do on questionable rides) there was no way he H. E. double hockey sticks we were going to let her ride, it was just to intense for a small child in my opinion. Anyway I truly pray that the parents will find some peace regardless to the outcome of there suit.
P.S. Everything above it strictly just the opinion of a parent to a young child.
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06-14-2006, 08:02 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
Just because your child is tall enough to ride, doesn't mean that he or she should. That's our responsibility as parents, to know our child's limitations.
However, in this situation, this child had an undiagnosed cardiac condition, and there was no way Disney or his parents could have known how the ride was going to affect him. If the child died while playing a school sport, would the school be liable? If the child died while playing tag in the street with friends, would the friends be liable?
It is a sad and tragic situation for all involved. [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/fairy2.gif[/img] [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/fairy2.gif[/img]
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06-14-2006, 08:20 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
Another case of parents not wanting to take responsibility for what they were accountable for. This is really sad, because all they are looking for is a payday at Mickey's expense. I really hope this is thrown out of court.
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06-14-2006, 08:30 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
As for the third piece (after the "no warnings" and the "height" issues - which have no legal merit since there are twelve visual and multiple verbal warnings and the child met the height requirements of the retraint), there is some discussion of whether the boy received prompt CPR by the CMs. What was reported back then was that the boy had passed out and was on a bench and the mother realized that he wasn't breathing. I have no idea how truthful that is, but it was reported by the media after the death occured.
I'm still so sad for the family and I understand how emotional pain and suffering could make them want to try to blame Disney. However, I don't think the case will go very far, but that's just my opinion.
Eileen
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06-14-2006, 09:09 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
While my heart goes out to this family - they did lose their child; I don't think Disney was responsible. A cardiac arrythmia was the cause of death. How do you not see the warnings about that ride??? They're everywhere!
It's a sad situation for everyone.
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06-14-2006, 09:11 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
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"The boy's family said Disney didn't properly warn the public of the ride's hazards, should not have allowed such a small boy onto the ride, and should have done more to help the boy after he fell unconscious."
OMG- How could you NOT see all the warning signs that Disney has in the ride line?
And as far as allowing such a small boy on the ride- Ummmm, isn't that your decision as a parent?
Should have done more after he fell unconscious- What more could they have done exactly- they assisted her, called paramedics, etc. I don't get their line of thinking?!?
I really feel badly for the loss these parents have suffered but will suing Disney really make them feel better?
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[img]/ubb/images/graemlins/yeahthat.gif[/img] I feel really bad for the boys family but neither them nor disney knew about his heart condition and even if the child was in perfect health I would think a parent would realize that 4 yrs old is too young for that ride. [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/fairy2.gif[/img] for the family.
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06-14-2006, 09:19 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
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While my heart goes out to this family - they did lose their child; I don't think Disney was responsible. A cardiac arrythmia was the cause of death. How do you not see the warnings about that ride??? They're everywhere!
It's a sad situation for everyone.
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06-14-2006, 09:27 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
The sad truth is that we currently live in a society where lawsuits are the norm. Can anyone forget the case of the woman who sued McDonald's and actually won when she spilled hot coffee on herself in one of their restaurants. How can anyone not expect hot coffee to be hot? DUHHHH!!!!! In this particular case with the parents suing Disney we're dealing with much more tragic consequences but a similar scenario in that there are literally warnings all over the place about the intensity of the attraction, Mission:Space. Although my heart certainly goes out to these parents for the loss of their child, ultimately the decision to let the little guy go on that ride was theirs and suing Disney is never going to change that. We as parents must take responsibility for any and all decisions we make regarding the welfare of our children. Since this child had a pre-existing heart condition of which no one was aware, what we're dealing with is a tragic accident that no one could truly have prevented. The fact that these parents have chosen to sue Disney as a result of this accident is simply indicative of the times we live in, sad to say. I hope that this case gets thrown out of court for many reasons, not only because I don't believe Disney is responsible but also because if the parents win, it will only encourage more people to file such groundless lawsuits and when that happens, we as a society all lose.
Joy
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06-14-2006, 09:54 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
I couldn't agree more!! [ QUOTE ]
The fact that these parents have chosen to sue Disney as a result of this accident is simply indicative of the times we live in, sad to say. I hope that this case gets thrown out of court for many reasons, not only because I don't believe Disney is responsible but also because if the parents win, it will only encourage more people to file such groundless lawsuits and when that happens, we as a society all lose.
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06-14-2006, 10:08 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
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The sad truth is that we currently live in a society where lawsuits are the norm. Can anyone forget the case of the woman who sued McDonald's and actually won when she spilled hot coffee on herself in one of their restaurants. How can anyone not expect hot coffee to be hot? DUHHHH!!!!! In this particular case with the parents suing Disney we're dealing with much more tragic consequences but a similar scenario in that there are literally warnings all over the place about the intensity of the attraction, Mission:Space. Although my heart certainly goes out to these parents for the loss of their child, ultimately the decision to let the little guy go on that ride was theirs and suing Disney is never going to change that. We as parents must take responsibility for any and all decisions we make regarding the welfare of our children. Since this child had a pre-existing heart condition of which no one was aware, what we're dealing with is a tragic accident that no one could truly have prevented. The fact that these parents have chosen to sue Disney as a result of this accident is simply indicative of the times we live in, sad to say. I hope that this case gets thrown out of court for many reasons, not only because I don't believe Disney is responsible but also because if the parents win, it will only encourage more people to file such groundless lawsuits and when that happens, we as a society all lose.
Joy
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I agree completely! Disney gave them all the warnings - and as parents they should use common sense!
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06-14-2006, 10:18 AM
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Re: Family Of Boy Who Died On Disney Ride Files Lawsuit
I agree with all of you. My feeling is if they want to sue someone, why not the childs Dr. for not catching the heart problem? It's quite possible this is not something that could have been picked up in a routine well-visit so therefore, I don't think you can really blame Disney or the Dr but they obviously seem to want to sue SOMEONE! It's just the world we live in today.
The warnings are clearly posted. They scared me so bad I chose not to ride and I'm 37!
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