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On Tuesday night at 11pm, we left Indy and headed out to get the grandkids for a visit (these are DH's son's kids). I drove through Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, and about an hour in to Oklahoma before DH took over at about 6am (their time - 7am our time).
He drove the last hour to the kids' town. Picked them up and we headed home, through Arkansas and in to Missouri. They live in a tiny little town about 2 hours from Ft. Smith Arkansas. We made it home today at about 3pm - making a 1400 round trip drive in just under 40 hours, including a stop at what I call "A Shrine to Everything Male"; The Bass Pro Shop in Springfield, Missouri, and stopping for food, potty breaks, just because I couldn't take another "how much longer, Grandma", and finally a much needed hotel room stop!
Anyway - we now have a 6yr. old girl and a 7 yr. boy with us. They are wild!! I don't mean wild as in crazy fun. I mean, don't know to stay with people, wander off all the time, if they like it they take it (really fun at the store!!), do what they want anytime they want, didn't know that when people take a shower there is soap and shampoo involved, don't flush, cuss, have the table manners of wild indians, think seatbelts and car seats are just a torture device I made up and - the grossest of all: evidently didn't know what TP was or what it was used for until yesterday!!
Their clothes are rags I wouldn't let my kids give to the Goodwill (and I know they've got decent clothes - I just sent them a box full last month!). My step-son's mom used to send him with rags so that we'd buy him all new clothes. I guess he learned from the master.
At least the kids are also sweet and eager to please. And they don't seem to mind the rules. We'll see.
Wow. You have your hands full. At least they're sweet. You may just have to roll with it, do the best you can, and try to enjoy their visit - you can't possibly "fix" all of that. Pixies for all of you.
(And I LOVE your description of Bass Pro!)
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you can't possibly "fix" all of that. Pixies for all of you.
Oh, we know we can't fix it. I was a nanny for many years for a family that took in foster kids. I saw first hand how you can make them live up to your standards while they're with you, but can't make them live like you want once they leave your custody.
We just figure we'll show them there is a different way to live and that someone "out there" loves them.
We have a few things planned, including a trip to the local kids' resale shop (I am not stupid enough to buy them all new clothes - I've played that game before!), the shoe store (shoes are too small/too big), and then normal things like the zoo, lake, park, museum, etc.
I feel your pain. I have 4 grandchildren that belong to my oldest step-son and they are as you describe. Luckily, (I guess), my DIL doesn't let them come visit me since DH passed away so I don't have to deal with that. I only have to when I go visit them which isn't often because I am not invited very often (just birthdays).
Sorry you have to go through this, but remember, you can be a positive influence in their lives, even for the brief time you have them.
Are these the same grandchildren you were concerned about when they lived nearby? It sounds like they are truly neglected children but you also mentioned they live on a reservation so I am assuming they are a good percentage of Native American? If so ICWA (the Indian Child Welfare Act) applies which gives significant rights to the tribe and may explain why the local protective services were a little reluctant to get involved.
I hope they will be with you long enough that they can learn some basics. I have worked with children who have come into the system because of neglect and they have many of the same problems as your grandchildren.
Are these the same grandchildren you were concerned about when they lived nearby? It sounds like they are truly neglected children but you also mentioned they live on a reservation so I am assuming they are a good percentage of Native American? If so ICWA (the Indian Child Welfare Act) applies which gives significant rights to the tribe and may explain why the local protective services were a little reluctant to get involved.
I hope they will be with you long enough that they can learn some basics. I have worked with children who have come into the system because of neglect and they have many of the same problems as your grandchildren.
Have a great visit with them.
Yep, you're right - they are part of the Cherokee Nation, and DH and I know there is no way we could fight them!
We also understand that we can't do much for them here, in the 10 days we have. To them, this is Disney World.
My biggest problem is that soap doesn't cost much, and there is always water (they live next to a lake!). I've always said to my kids that it's okay to be poor and have little, but it's not okay to be dirty! The majority of their clothes are either too big or way too small, all dirty and stained. The girl's shoes are too small, and the boy's shoes are about 3 sizes too big - they both said they don't know whose shoes they used to be, they just grabbed shoes from the pile at their other grandma's (where all of the cousins live, and I know that our DiL has 3 sisters, each with 3 to 5 kids).
DH says we're going to need a moving van to get them back to OK!!
Teresa, don't underestimate the influence you can have in ten days. I've had lots of kids tell me how much they took away from a couple of weeks at camp or a week with a relative.
I agree soap is cheap but I have met many children, much older than these, who were never taught to shower or brush their teeth or any other the basic fundamentals of hygiene (including the use of TP). But at least your grandchildren will leave knowing what it feels like to be clean.
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Many pixies to instilling some values that will stay with them. I honestly believe, and perhaps this comes from all the teaching I do being a nurse, that if you can give them a reason to do certain things then the knowledge makes sense to them and isn't just "some adults rules". Like "wash your hands before you eat BECAUSE we as humans have germs on our hands that can get in our food and make us sick". There are some wonderful web sites out there that are fun for kids and illustrate healthy habbits, maybe you could sit down with them and go over it. One of my favorites is bam.gov, it is actually a CDC (center for disease control) web site, so it is accurate and age appropriate. It even makes learning fun with games and is interactive. I think they'd enjoy it. It just might stay with them longer to see the reasoning behind hygeine and healthy habbits if the can relate it to a purpose.
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. Luckily they are still young enough to accept rule changes. Hope you have a nice visit with them.
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