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Old 11-11-2009, 03:02 PM   #1
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Disney Should Re-Introduce Cartoons Lost To History

I've read in various articles cant remember which ones specifically that Disney purchased the rights to many of Fleischers cartoons and characters, Winsor Mccay's work, and managed to buy back Oswald.

Yet they have refused or are not interested in showcasing this work or re-introducing it to the public. They have owned the rights to these products for sometime now and I just wish that Disney would bring back some of these characters in the parks or even on film.

After all Winsor Mccay and Max Fleischer where Walt's initial influences for going into the industry.

Also Oswald was a prototype to Mickey as you can clearly see by the designs.

So their importance is significant.
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Disney has absolutely LOADS of material which it seems to be just sitting on.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Disney Channel on TV (we get Disney XD, Playhouse Disney, Disney Cinemagic and the original Disney Channel) but where is all the "old" stuff that I remember from my childhood? I'm sure there'd be a "market" for another "Classic Disney" channel showing things like "The Wonderful World of Disney" etc. This could be an outlet for the "classic" cartoons, TV specials, and early live action material from the 50s and 60s. If people's interest is sparked (which I think it would) there would be the potential to sell the programming as DVD releases, box sets.

Am I the only person who would love to see the "Disney stuff" I remember from my childhood? I doubt it!!!!
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I'd love to have all the old Goofy shorts on DVD (preferrably Bluray ). I loved those as a child - the one where he goes camping especially.
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Didn't I hear somewhere that Oswald was making a return?
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Didn't I hear somewhere that Oswald was making a return?
There tossing that idea around at Disney. It seems that its a second priority of theirs at this point.

He is making his first appearance in almost seventy five years with Epic Mickey. Though the idea of the game is that Oswald is jealous that Mickey has dethroned him as a popular cartoon character and he seeks revenge. I'm not entirely for bringing back the character as a foil to Mickey or as a farce, or in any bad light. Which the game seems to be doing.
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Didn't I hear somewhere that Oswald was making a return?
Yep! Oswald is set to be the main protaganist in the upcoming Epic Mickey video game. There's a thread on here somewhere from just a few days ago concerning it.

Although I have never heard of these DVD's, a look at Wiki said the Oswald cartoons were released in 2007 under the WD Treasures series.

ETA: This series also includes the Goofy cartoons I was talking about! Who knew! Here's the Wiki about all the different volimes in the series: Walt Disney Treasures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Yep! Oswald is set to be the main protaganist in the upcoming Epic Mickey video game.
Yep... that's where we'll see him.

A fairly large portion of the older Disney-produced videos were released under the Treasures label over the past few years. I'm sure it was done according to market trends, as there are mostly only collectors and historians willing to shell out the money for them.
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My thoughts is that Disney could make money through the Fleischer, Mccay, and Oswald cartoons. In the process they could also show people that don't know much about animation history these films for artistic purposes and influence. Or re-distribute the characters in updated versions do something to bring back life in these properties.

Disney will let film archivists review the material yet they don't want to release the material to the public. Even though they could resurrect interest in old innovative cartoons.
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The point of this thread was that Disney is also sitting on a lot Mccay and Fleischer work but refuses to show it or resurrect its likeness can someone please tell me about that?
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Sure, I'll bite. A quick look around at Amazon and Best Buy's websites shows several showcases of the works of McCay and Fleisher, all released within the last few years. I don't know when the Disney Company purchased the rights to their work, but I assume it was before these were released (2005 or so for most of them). So apparently, they must have attempted to showcase this to the public. And it must not have been well recieved, since most of these volumes have been discontinued. So it doesn't look to me like they are "refusing" to show this stuff, but rather that they allowed other companies to distribute these, and they weren't well recieved. Is that closer to the answer you were looking for?

ETA: Also, I'm taking your word for it that Disney owns the rights to McCay and Fleisher's work. I couldn't find anything to that effect online, but admittedly I only looked a few minutes.

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Sure, I'll bite. A quick look around at Amazon and Best Buy's websites shows several showcases of the works of McCay and Fleisher, all released within the last few years. I don't know when the Disney Company purchased the rights to their work, but I assume it was before these were released (2005 or so for most of them). So apparently, they must have attempted to showcase this to the public. And it must not have been well recieved, since most of these volumes have been discontinued. So it doesn't look to me like they are "refusing" to show this stuff, but rather that they allowed other companies to distribute these, and they weren't well recieved. Is that closer to the answer you were looking for?

ETA: Also, I'm taking your word for it that Disney owns the rights to McCay and Fleisher's work. I couldn't find anything to that effect online, but admittedly I only looked a few minutes.
They own some of their works. Mccay and Fleischers work is up in the air its owned, co-owned by companies, and is in public domain Disney has secured rights to some of the work.

Also the reason its not well received is because I don't think their work has been effectively introduced to younger generations. I think they have been largely ignored especially their significance and influence on the industry.

I think its Disney's job is to give a nod to important people in animation history when they own some of the work.
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I think its Disney's job is to give a nod to important people in animation history when they own some of the work.
I agree with you. This is like an art museum buying a priceless painting and keeping it in the basement where no one will see it!
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How about if Disney started a website that allowed people to stream/download older cartoon/shows/movies that are no longer available?

It would be a great way to introduce unknown works at little cost to Disney and allow younger (and older) generations to enjoy them.

I, for one, would be willing to pay a reasonable subscription to a site like that.
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The point of this thread was that Disney is also sitting on a lot Mccay and Fleischer work but refuses to show it or resurrect its likeness can someone please tell me about that?
Do you suppose its possible that they haven't done anything with this work because they don't feel that there is an appeal to a general audience for this material? Even with this thread everyone jumped on the Oswald or older Disney part, but didn't discuss the Mccay Fleisher piece. I'm guessing Disney wouldn't put too much money into releasing something out to the public unless they felt it would "sell".
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Do you suppose its possible that they haven't done anything with this work because they don't feel that there is an appeal to a general audience for this material? Even with this thread everyone jumped on the Oswald or older Disney part, but didn't discuss the Mccay Fleisher piece. I'm guessing Disney wouldn't put too much money into releasing something out to the public unless they felt it would "sell".
I said the following earlier on this thread.

"Also the reason its not well received is because I don't think their work has been effectively introduced to younger generations. I think they have been largely ignored especially their significance and influence on the industry. I think its Disney's job is to give a nod to important people in animation history when they own some of the work."

It clearly states Disney is sitting on these works when they have thousands of successful publicity machines that could effectively use to reintroduce these characters. Besides Gertie, Out of The Inkwell, Betty Boop, and Popeye have been proven to still be successful among current test audiences. Disney wants to use their own characters not these ones but they buy some of these works and don't show them with no explanation.
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