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Old 04-15-2010, 10:43 PM   #1
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The idea for this thread started in another thread about scooters at WDW. It was also inspired by an old thread about "Not So Magical Cast Members" (http://www.passporterboards.com/foru...ical-cast.html).

Here are a couple of NSMCM that those of us traveling with Special Needs tend to encounter. (Or at least we notice them more.)

Center Stoppers will suddenly stop in the middle of wherever they are: walkways, gift shops, whatever. This usually causes the scooter use to attempt (a usually futile) sudden stop. (Contributed by CinderAbby)

Dashers are kids who run in front of you because Mom and Dad aren't watching again resulting in a usually futile attempt at a sudden stop (Contributed by CinderAbby and Eeyore Tattoo)

The Gazelles are those that will try to jump over the feet of a wheelchair in order to get to their destination faster in a crowd during a mad dash. (Usually experienced at rope drop for Toon Town or DHS when heading to TSMM) (Contributed by PamelaK)

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I'm glad you started this. If I weren't getting so tired, I'd think of a few more people we've seen.
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The Shoulder Sitters - those people who block the view of the wheelchair/scooter people by letting their kids sit on their shoulders in the front row.
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The Leaners - Who think that your wheelchair is their personal "lean rail"

The Player - Can be children or adults, people who think your chair is "just so cool" and want to touch it

The "Befrienders" - People who see you in line and feel the need to talk to you (even though they never talk to able bodied people in line). And of course what they want to ask you is about your illness/disability. Because what you want to talk about in Disney is being sick!
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The "Befrienders" - People who see you in line and feel the need to talk to you (even though they never talk to able bodied people in line). And of course what they want to ask you is about your illness/disability. Because what you want to talk about in Disney is being sick!
Befrienders is certainly nicer than my name for them - the busybodies.
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Very interesting topic, indeed!

Are we talking about cast members or guests, though?
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I'll go one better on the "befrienders"...we had a couple ask if they could be our "tagalongs" so they could go through the back entrance of Haunted Mansion-cause they were curious to see it.
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the "dramatic sighers" the ones who dramatically sigh with annoyance because your chair has to go on the bus first.
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Other guests. I'm pretty sure that the true CM of Disney have a lot more tact and observation skills
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Other guests. I'm pretty sure that the true CM of Disney have a lot more tact and observation skills
Well...most of them do....

I'll add this: The Power Rangers! CMs who don't know the difference between a personal power wheelchair and an ECV. Usually a new CM or a CP. As in the following example:

Pooh CM: You'll need to transfer from your ECV to a standard wheelchair, Ma'am.
Me: This is a standard sized wheelchair. It fits in the accessible car, no problem.
CM: ECVs don't fit in the accessible car, and can't navigate the queue.
Me: This is a wheelchair, not an ECV.
CM: But...but..it's powered.
Me: Could you please check with someone else, this has never been a problem before.
CM goes, comes back: go on ahead, Ma'am. Sorry about that.
Me: S'alright.

Pooh is thr most common place, but there are others. Very common when a new batch of CPs arrives. Clearly, they aren't as well trained on the differences.

Noted exceptions: At pirates, you must be able to put the chair in manual mode, or transfer, because of how they move the chair to unload.

At Aladdin's Carpets, the chair carpet has a wacky molded thing that doesn't fit under the motor undercarriage of most power chairs. You can double check though, using a model of the piece that they have.
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Well...most of them do....

I'll add this: The Power Rangers! CMs who don't know the difference between a personal power wheelchair and an ECV. Usually a new CM or a CP. As in the following example:

Pooh CM: You'll need to transfer from your ECV to a standard wheelchair, Ma'am.
Me: This is a standard sized wheelchair. It fits in the accessible car, no problem.
CM: ECVs don't fit in the accessible car, and can't navigate the queue.
Me: This is a wheelchair, not an ECV.
CM: But...but..it's powered.
Me: Could you please check with someone else, this has never been a problem before.
CM goes, comes back: go on ahead, Ma'am. Sorry about that.
Me: S'alright.

Pooh is thr most common place, but there are others. Very common when a new batch of CPs arrives. Clearly, they aren't as well trained on the differences.

Noted exceptions: At pirates, you must be able to put the chair in manual mode, or transfer, because of how they move the chair to unload.

At Aladdin's Carpets, the chair carpet has a wacky molded thing that doesn't fit under the motor undercarriage of most power chairs. You can double check though, using a model of the piece that they have.
OMG i get this too! I got it at Tower of Terror and RnR AND Peter Pan!

I never did get to ride Peter Pan - I was told to park the chair in the stroller parking and walk in, as if I had a huge ECV - i had a tiny powerchair that turns in a smaller radius than my manual chair!
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I was with Mom in her wheelchair and Cindy from Spoons who uses an ECV. I was pushing Mom. The CM told Cindy that she could not take the ECV through the line. She walked and I pushed Mom. We get off then I have to leave the two of them at Pooh Corner to shop while I trudge back up the hill to get her ECV. I ended up talking to a trainer who is higher up than a lead.

They are to explain that guests must transfer to a wheelchair for the line and if necessary the ride. If a guest does not have someone to push them then they may use the exit. They were supposed to have our group use the exit because Cindy had nobody to push her in a wheelchair and her ECV would not have fit. ARGH. I knew what to do but the CM did not. Cindy was lucky to have me to walk back up the hill and get the scooter.

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Does anyone know of a way to put power brakes on a wheelchair but not so strong as to have Mom go sliding out of the chair? Every trip ends up with one or both wrists hurting from trying to stop a heavy wheelchair on a down slope.

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I was with Mom in her wheelchair and Cindy from Spoons who uses an ECV. I was pushing Mom. The CM told Cindy that she could not take the ECV through the line. She walked and I pushed Mom. We get off then I have to leave the two of them at Pooh Corner to shop while I trudge back up the hill to get her ECV. I ended up talking to a trainer who is higher up than a lead.
This is exactly the reason I get a GAC !
The GAC states I can use an alternate entrance "exits" to get on rides that I can't get through the que on my ECV.. I find it deters a argument with a CM about where I can enter & get on a ride..
One argument was enough to convince me a GAC was the way to go..
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OMG i get this too! I got it at Tower of Terror and RnR AND Peter Pan!

I never did get to ride Peter Pan - I was told to park the chair in the stroller parking and walk in, as if I had a huge ECV - i had a tiny powerchair that turns in a smaller radius than my manual chair!
Peter Pan has a bigger issue, anyway. They will not voluntarily stop the the moving platform. Something about concerns over starting it up again. Um, maintenance overhaul much? M'kay.
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Other guests. I'm pretty sure that the true CM of Disney have a lot more tact and observation skills
While this may be true of MOST CMs, I had the unlucky opportunity to have a run in with a not so pleasant CM when we were there in Dec 09 and I was in an ECV. It was our first day at the World and we had spent it at MK, until party time and as we were not attending the party that night we were making our way out. Well we were trying to cut across Main Street down near the castle hub by the Plaza Restaurant. Well it was hard for me to get a straight on shot across the trolley tracks so the front wheel of the ECV got stuck in the tracks, RIGHT in front of a photopass CM. Now you would think that this CM being employed by Disney would come over and help me remove the ECV from the tracks and then go back to taking photos. NOPE, No way and no how. He was going to have none of it. He actually started yelling at me to move the ECV out of his camera shot. He didn't offer to help me at all, he just yelled and yelled and yelled. It didn't matter that I was now near tears and had a cast on my foot making mobility difficult, he didn't care one bit, he just wanted me out of his way. I couldn't lift the scooter and neither could my mom which was making him angrier and angrier and he just got louder the angrier he got. A nice couple who were near us actually stopped to help us get the ECV out of the tracks while the photographer never lifted a finger or even moved over to try to help us. I was so upset I couldn't think straight enough to go complain at Guest Services, but you can be assured that if that happens again on our trip this December (I have an ECV as I blew my knee out over the summer), you can be guaranteed that a trip to Guest Services WILL be happening.
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