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As of January 1, 2019, we have closed our forums. This is a decision we did not come to lightly, but it is necessary. The software our forums run on is just too out-of-date and it poses a significant security risk. The server software itself must be updated, and it cannot be without removing the forums.
So it is with a heavy heart that we say goodbye to our long-running forums. They came online in 2000 and brought together so many wonderful Disney fans. We had friendships form, careers launch, couples marry, children born ... all because of this amazing community.
Thank you to each of you who were a part of this community. You made it possible.
And a very special thank you to our Guides (moderators), past and present, who kept our forums a happy place to be. You are the glue that held everything together, and we are forever grateful to you. Thank you aliceinwdw, Caldercup, MrsM, WillCAD, Fortissimo, GingerJ, HiddenMickey, CRCrazy, Eeyoresmom, disneyknut, disneydani, Cam22, chezp, WDWfan, Luvsun, KMB733, rescuesk, OhToodles!, Colexis Mom, lfredsbo, HiddenMickey, DrDolphin, DopeyGirl, duck addict, Disneybine, PixieMichele, Sandra Bostwick, Eeyore Tattoo, DyanKJ130, Suzy Q'Disney, LilMarcieMouse, AllisonG, Belle*, Chrissi, Brant, DawnDenise, Crystalloubear, Disneymom9092, FanOfMickey, Goofy4Goofy, GoofyMom, Home4us123, iamgrumpy, ilovedisney247, Jennifer2003, Jenny Pooh, KrisLuvsDisney, Ladyt, Laughaholic88, LauraBelle Hime, Lilianna, LizardCop, Loobyoxlip, lukeandbrooksmom, marisag, michnash, MickeyMAC, OffKilter_Lynn, PamelaK, Poor_Eeyore, ripkensnana, RobDVC, SHEANA1226, Shell of the South, snoozin, Statelady01, Tara O'Hara, tigger22, Tink and Co., Tinkerbelz, WDWJAMBA, wdwlovers, Wendyismyname, whoSEZ, WildforWD, and WvuGrrrl. You made the magic.
We want to personally thank Sara Varney, who coordinated our community for many years (among so many other things she did for us), and Cheryl Pendry, our Message Board Manager who helped train our Guides, and Ginger Jabour, who helped us with the PassPorter-specific forums and Live! Guides. Thank you for your time, energy, and enthusiasm. You made it all happen.
There are other changes as well.
Why? Well, the world has changed. And change with it, we must. The lyrics to "We Go On" for IllumiNations say it best:
We go on to the joy and through the tears
We go on to discover new frontiers
Moving on with the current of the years.
We go on
Moving forward now as one
Moving on with a spirit born to run
Ever on with each rising sun.
To a new day, we go on.
It's time to move on and move forward.
PassPorter is a small business, and for many years it supported our family. But the world changed, print books took a backseat to the Internet, and for a long time now it has been unable to make ends meet. We've had to find new ways to support our family, which means new careers and less and less time available to devote to our first baby, PassPorter.
But eventually, we must move on and move forward. It is the right thing to do.
So we are retiring this newsletter, as we simply cannot keep up with it. Many thanks to Mouse Fan Travel who supported it all these years, to All Ears and MousePlanet who helped us with news, to our many article contributors, and -- most importantly -- to Sara Varney who edited our newsletter so wonderfully for years and years.
And we are no longer charging for the Live Guides. If you have a subscription, it's yours to keep for the lifetime of the Live Guides at no additional cost. The Live Guides will stay online, barring server issues and technical problems, for all of 2019.
That said, PassPorter is not going away. Most of the resources will remain online for as long as we can support them, and after that we will find ways to make whatever we can available. PassPorter means a great deal to us, and to many of you, and we will do our best to keep it alive in whatever way we can. Our server costs are high, and they'll need to come out of our pockets, so in the future you can expect some changes so we can bring those costs down.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for your amazing support over the years. Without you, there's no way us little guys could have made something like this happen and given the "big guys" a run for their money. PassPorter was consistently the #3 guidebook after the Unofficial and Official guides, which was really unheard of for such a small company to do. We ROCKED it thanks to you and your support and love!
If you miss us, you can still find some of us online. Sara started a new blog at DisneyParkPrincess.com -- I strongly urge you to visit and get on her mailing list. She IS the Disney park princess and knows Disney backward and forward. And I am blogging as well at JenniferMaker.com, which is a little craft blog I started a couple of years ago to make ends meet. You can see and hear me in my craft show at https://www.youtube.com/c/jennifermaker . Many PassPorter readers and fans are on Facebook, in groups they formed like the PassPorter Trip Reports and PassPorter Crafting Challenge (if you join, just let them know you read about it in the newsletter). And some of our most devoted community members started a forum of their own at Pixie Dust Lane and all are invited over.
So we encourage you to stay in touch with us and your fellow community members wherever works best for you!
Best wishes for a wonderful and magical new year!
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12-21-2005, 04:11 PM
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Community Rank: Explorer 
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Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
Growing up w/ a musician for a mother, I've always known to stand during the Hallelujah Chorus. At the CP, I stood both times (as did a few others and then everyone else joined in with an [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/ukid.gif[/img] look)
Did you/do you know that it is proper etiquette to stand for the Hallelujah Chorus? How did you find out? I'm trying to explain to my mom that I don't think that's common knowledge anymore [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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12-21-2005, 04:22 PM
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Community Rank: Legend Extraordinaire 
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
That happened to us at CP the first week in December. It's the first time I've seen that happen and I couldn't figure out why. Just about the entire audience got up at the same time, so we just joined in
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12-21-2005, 04:26 PM
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
We always did this song in choir so I knew to stand. A lot of people are unfamiliar with why. I know it has something to do with some king hearing it and standing but don't remember the whole story. Anyone know??
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12-21-2005, 05:29 PM
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Community Rank: Legend Extraordinaire
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
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We always did this song in choir so I knew to stand. A lot of people are unfamiliar with why. I know it has something to do with some king hearing it and standing but don't remember the whole story. Anyone know??
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That's how I knew too. It does have something to do with the king, but I can't remember it.
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12-21-2005, 06:26 PM
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Magic Happens!
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Location: E. Stroudsburg, PA
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
I had forgotten about this until people stood during CP. Then it was like... [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif[/img] Oh yea! We stand! Never knew the reason though.
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12-21-2005, 04:27 PM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter 
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
i didnt know but ive never been to a religus musical service
so it was never an issue
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12-21-2005, 05:05 PM
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Wannabe Snowbird
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
I was one of the bewildered when they sang the Hallelujah Chorus at CP and everybody rose to their feet. I have never seen that happen here in Canada.
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12-21-2005, 05:11 PM
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Community Rank: Navigator 
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
We saw it at the Naval Academy and we stood up because everyone else did too. I can ask my sister in law what the reason is.
Just called her, and ....
Okay, the first time it was performed, the King (don't know which one)stood up during the Hallelujah Chorus, so all the underlings stood up with him (sucking up!) And so the tradition goes.
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12-21-2005, 05:18 PM
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
I think it was George II, but don't quote me on that one! There was also some specualation that Haydn was in a later audience and was moved to his feet with the crowd which solidified the tradition.
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12-21-2005, 06:28 PM
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Community Rank: Jetsetter
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Iowa
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
guess I better change my cell phone ringtone people everywhere will be jumping up [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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12-21-2005, 10:54 PM
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Community Rank: Legend 
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
I didn't know but I will now that i know!
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12-22-2005, 12:58 AM
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Dopey's biggest fan!
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
I had no idea . . . but now I know! (And knowing is half the battle [img]/ubb/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif[/img])
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12-21-2005, 07:25 PM
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
We performed this in my highschool and college choirs and I don't even remember people standing. Maybe they did...
Anyway, I did a quick online check and this is what I found:
"The first London performance of Messiah took place at the Covent Garden Theatre on 23 March, 1743, in the presence of the King, George II. When he heard the words, 'The kingdom of this world...' the King rose to his feet and remained standing until the end of the number. Various explanations have been put forward for this startling behaviour. It may have been in recognition that George's earthly kingdom was subservient to the Kingdom of Heaven. It may have been as a mark of awed tribute to the composer. Or it may have been that His Majesty had nodded off and jumped up startled by the loud music. As a matter of protocol, no-one could remain seated while the King was standing, so the whole audience stood throughout. The tradition remains to this day of the audience standing for the 'Hallelujah' chorus and is often observed even when there is no royalty present and even, it seems, among peoples who bear no allegiance to the British or indeed any monarch."
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12-21-2005, 07:56 PM
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Living Seas wannabe
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
I sang it in HS and college - and we stood - so I stand.
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12-21-2005, 07:58 PM
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Re: Hallelujah Chorus and standing question
I'd never heard of this before. That's very interesting.
Liz
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