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Devastated. This was hubby's and my absolute, very favorite memory, walking under the lights on the way out after our 'date' on our first trip in 2003. It became a tradition and if he wasn't here, if I was, I'd have to call him and "walk" with him on the phone. It will seem so empty now...
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What a bleak, dark day this is and how dark and bleak will it be when in Disney for the holidays without those glorious lights twinkling so brilliantly! I will miss them.
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Wow. I wonder if they're putting up something to replace it, or if it's just a product of the poor economy, much like this year's Food and Wine decor. I can't say I really buy the statement that "the tech to operate them has become obsolete."
I can't say I really buy the statement that "the tech to operate them has become obsolete."
Why is that so hard to believe? I bought a new computer last month and my old printer which still worked perfectly well didn't plug into the new computer in any way at all so I had to replace it.
So why is it so hard to believe that the technology for the Lights of Winter is outdated? Actually when I saw the Lights of Winter last year, they didn't seem quite as nice as they had in years past. Plus we've never once gotten a decent shot, photopass or otherwise, of them.
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Why is that so hard to believe? I bought a new computer last month and my old printer which still worked perfectly well didn't plug into the new computer in any way at all so I had to replace it.
So why is it so hard to believe that the technology for the Lights of Winter is outdated? Actually when I saw the Lights of Winter last year, they didn't seem quite as nice as they had in years past. Plus we've never once gotten a decent shot, photopass or otherwise, of them.
It's hard to believe because Disney constantly makes statements like these to justify their cost cuttings. Like when Disney said that the reason they closed Adventurer's Club and the rest of Pleasure Island because "Disney guests wanted more retail choices." Well, the question asked in the survey, and I took it, never said those choices would come only if Pleasure Island was closed.
And besides...this is the company that can makes Animatronics realistic, make a ride as advanced as TSMM, and can make a gorgeous fireworks show. Are you telling me they can't run some new lights over an archway? BS.
It's hard to believe because Disney constantly makes statements like these to justify their cost cuttings. Like when Disney said that the reason they closed Adventurer's Club and the rest of Pleasure Island because "Disney guests wanted more retail choices." Well, the question asked in the survey, and I took it, never said those choices would come only if Pleasure Island was closed.
And besides...this is the company that can makes Animatronics realistic, make a ride as advanced as TSMM, and can make a gorgeous fireworks show. Are you telling me they can't run some new lights over an archway? BS.
It's hard to believe because Disney constantly makes statements like these to justify their cost cuttings. Like when Disney said that the reason they closed Adventurer's Club and the rest of Pleasure Island because "Disney guests wanted more retail choices." Well, the question asked in the survey, and I took it, never said those choices would come only if Pleasure Island was closed.
And besides...this is the company that can makes Animatronics realistic, make a ride as advanced as TSMM, and can make a gorgeous fireworks show. Are you telling me they can't run some new lights over an archway? BS.
AMEN!!!! Thank you for saying that. I am also sad that I never got to see them.
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Why is that so hard to believe? ...So why is it so hard to believe that the technology for the Lights of Winter is outdated?
I'm not trying to start an argument, and perhaps I'm cynical, but I find it hard to believe for a lot of the reasons Matt outlined above, but mostly, because I'm not alone in noticing that since the economic downturn, Disney's done a LOT of cost-cutting, not only with their workforce, but especially in their decor. For 2 straight weeks, all a certain DISney Podcast could talk about was the huge lack of decorations for Food and Wine this year, as compared to years in the past. On our trip 2 weeks ago, I saw for myself just how little budget they had for decorations (even though they were pretty much recycled from last year), and other areas within Food and Wine. Further, almost all free events were eliminated from F&W (with the exception of the Sam Adams seminar), but a ton of "pay to play" events were added.
Or the fact that, while Disney has added a lot of D23 "cost" events, they've practically eliminated any Annual Passholder events such as the ones they had last year, where you could tour the Cinderella's Castle Suite, or check out American Idol before it opened to the public.
Also, one only had to take the Yuletide Fantasy Tour last Christmas, during the height of WDW decorating, to see that they were making MASSIVE cutbacks on the decorations you saw in the parks (or you could've read the boards, where people were also upset about some of the more obvious decor cutbacks). During the tour, we got to actually visit the warehouse where all the holiday decorations are stored display-ready. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that in the middle of December, that warehouse was at least still 40% full of wreaths, swags, bows, topiaries, trees, etc. - all fully decorated and covered in plastic. Hanging on each shelf, underneath the sign designating what area on property these particular displays belonged to, were hot pink print-outs for each area that stated, "Do not put out due to cut-backs."
So again, not trying to start a fight, but those are my particular beliefs as to why I'm rolling my eyes at Disney's "techno-fail" excuse.
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Devastated. This was hubby's and my absolute, very favorite memory, walking under the lights on the way out after our 'date' on our first trip in 2003. It became a tradition and if he wasn't here, if I was, I'd have to call him and "walk" with him on the phone. It will seem so empty now...
I can't say I really buy the statement that "the tech to operate them has become obsolete." 
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